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PSA: COPS CAN LIE TO YOU

(Most of this pertains to the US, possibly other places)

Remember, almost nothing you say can help you. Do not talk. If you're already under arrest, remain silent. You can fight your case in court. The police cannot and will not help you. They will lie and try to pretend like they care and/or will let you get off with lesser charges. Ignore them.

1) If you don't fess up, we're going to charge your family / friend. We're going to take your house and evict everyone.

They try all sorts of scare tactics. Never under any circumstances, make any decisions WITHOUT a lawyer. They will try to pretend like it's your only chance to "come clean" or else they're going to walk out and the chance goes away. This is 99% bullshit. The prosecutor has discretion of what to do. Furthermore, unless you're trapping out of your house, no jury is going to want to make your family homeless. Remember, if the cops do a bunch of evil shit, it's much easier for the jury to take your side. They bluff. A LOT.

2) Your friend is already talking. How else would we know ______? If you don't start talking soon, he's going to be the one with the deal. They already snitched on you, do yourself a favor and help yourself out too.

Another common lie. They will try to pit you against each other. Silence is important in all cases. Even if it's a traffic stop where they split you up and ask you both the same questions to see if your stories match. You do not have to talk to them. They're looking for reasonable suspicion / probable cause. Simply state "I'm not answering any questions that aren't related to the current situation." In some cases it's best to cooperate fully if you know they won't catch you in a lie. YMMV. Anything you say can be used against you. With one piece of information they get from you or your friend, they can turn around and use it to get even more with the other person. Keep your mouth shut.

3) Asking a passenger for ID

Not all states are stop and ID states. Plenty of them are not. I've seen countless videos where cops demand ID from everyone in the car and then someone ends up having a warrant or things escalate. If you're not driving, you (possibly) do not have to ID. You can refuse. Some cops are unaware of this so there may be arguing, or they may lie and say you have to. If you get charged for not providing ID and you're technically in the right, then I'm assuming what follows would fall under "fruits of the poisonous tree", and not be eligible to be used against you (i.e. charges dropped) but someone with more legal knowledge can correct me.

4) If you talk, it will make it easier in the long run. If you fess up, we will go lenient on you

Majority of the time, you're digging your own grave if you talk. I'll link some interrogation videos below, but there are SO many instances where people fall into the trap of thinking the cop is their friend. DO NOT FALL FOR THIS. They will try to build rapport in various ways. They will pay attention to your every gesture and move. They will nail you to the fucking wall as soon as they can. They want a confession, clues, anything to build a case against you. I've seen so any cases where people could've walked away and likely gotten away with literal murder, but instead told on themselves. Invoke your right to remain silent, and ask for a lawyer. That's all you should say, ESPECIALLY if you're not yet under arrest.

I DON'T CARE IF YOU THINK IT MAKES YOU LOOK GUILTY. I WOULD RATHER LOOK GUILTY AND BE FREE THAN LOOK INNOCENT AND BE IN PRISON. They cannot use your right to counsel against you. Nothing is wrong with wanting a legal professional on your side when answering any questions. If they bring you in for questioning, insist on having a lawyer with you.

For youtube channels that show interrogations and point out techniques, see "JCS - Criminal Psychology" (aka JimCantSwim) and Red Tree Stories. For a channel with a lawyer who speaks wisdom and even covers some JCS videos, look up CLR Bruce Rivers.

Please add any relevant police lies / tactics. Thanks.

(Bonus from personal knowledge)

5) We already know everything. Jimmy is already telling us everything we need to know. Either you can fill in a few blanks and tell your side and not be charged, or we can charge you. We really don't want to charge you, so if you can just help us out a bit, it will go nicely for you.

Again, police love to lie. They will instill a sense of urgency, they will play it down like you're doing the right thing by talking to the police, they will pit you against others, they will straight up LIE about things, they will make it sound like they are judge, jury, and executioner. They are not.

For some further reading, check out https:// casetext .c0m /case/united-states-v-ramos-270

The following guy sounds fucked right?

(From a news site:)

PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — Rhode Island State Police say they have arrested a fugitive from Massachusetts in a Providence apartment where they also found nearly two pounds of pure fentanyl with a street value of more than $30,000.

Police say 52-year-old Jesus Ramos was arrested Wednesday on drug trafficking and fugitive charges after authorities learned he was staying at the apartment.

Rhode Island authorities say Ramos is wanted in Massachusetts for allegedly skipping bail while awaiting trial on drug and gun charges. He is due in court in Providence on Thursday.

In addition to the powerful opioid fentanyl, investigators say they found 10 grams of heroin, two presses used for packing fentanyl, heroin and other narcotics, and drug packaging materials in the Providence apartment. 

Well, he ended up pursuing a motion to suppress based on various things. It was granted.

"...It seems possible, though not inevitable, that the police could have provided enough information in the affidavit to establish probable cause for either the cell-record warrant or the physical-search warrant without the taint of illegality. But, as the Court has found, they did not. However, even if the discovery of evidence was inevitable, to apply the inevitable-discovery rule here is not appropriate. It could encourage law enforcement official to seek warrants without supplying the reviewing judicial officer with the facts necessary to ensure probable cause exists. The cell-record warrant the police received was vastly broad, and premised only on the assertion that a credible source had linked the number to the defendant. The weighty privacy considerations that attend such a search demand that the inevitable-discovery exception not apply." 

Things are not always black and white.

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Addendum, added due to questions:

They require reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed to pull you over / detain you. This can include the officer witnessing a traffic violation among other things listed below.

What is reasonable suspicion? It refers to the belief, based on specific facts and circumstances, that a person may be involved in illegal activities or poses a threat to public safety.

Unlike probable cause, which requires a higher level of hard evidence, reasonable suspicion is a lower standard that allows law enforcement officers to briefly detain an individual or conduct a limited search for the purpose of further investigating potential illegal activity.

Articulable Facts Reasonable suspicion means that law enforcement officers must be able to articulate the reasons for their suspicion and provide factual information supporting their belief. If you watch any police auditors, or people wrongfully stopped, they may ask "What is your reasonable, articulable suspicions for detaining me?" see: https://www youtube com/watch?v=954d1UzdVcY (CLEARNET), or search "P.I. and Ex-Cop OWNS Clueless Cops On DashCam

Observations and Behavior "Officers may consider the behavior, actions, and appearance of an individual when assessing reasonable suspicion. Suspicious behavior, unusual movements, furtive gestures, or attempts to evade law enforcement can contribute to reasonable suspicion."

Information and Tips "Information received from reliable sources, informants, or anonymous tips can be taken into account. However, the credibility and veracity of the source may influence the weight given to the information in establishing reasonable suspicion."

Geographic Factors "The location and context of the encounter can be relevant in determining reasonable suspicion. High-crime areas or places known for illegal activities may heighten an officer’s suspicions, but mere presence in such an area is not enough to establish reasonable suspicion on its own."

Time and Circumstances "The time of day or night, along with the circumstances surrounding the encounter, can contribute to the reasonable suspicion analysis. For example, suspicious behavior that occurs during late-night hours in an area known for drug trafficking may raise the level of suspicion."


Requirement of Probable Cause

"To obtain a search warrant, law enforcement officers must demonstrate to a judge or magistrate that there is probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed and that evidence or contraband related to the crime can be found in the specified location. Probable cause requires a reasonable belief, supported by sufficient facts and circumstances, that a search will lead to the discovery of evidence of a crime." Exceptions include if you consent to a search, if suspect is at risk of imminent harm, if they search you after already being arrested, and searches of items in plain view. If you are arrest they can tow your vehicle and take an inventory of it.

PSA: COPS CAN LIE TO YOU (Most of this pertains to the US, possibly other places) Remember, almost nothing you say can help you. Do not talk. If you're already under arrest, remain silent. You can fight your case in court. The police cannot and will not help you. They will lie and try to pretend like they care and/or will let you get off with lesser charges. Ignore them. 1) If you don't fess up, we're going to charge your family / friend. We're going to take your house and evict everyone. They try all sorts of scare tactics. Never under any circumstances, make any decisions WITHOUT a lawyer. They will try to pretend like it's your only chance to "come clean" or else they're going to walk out and the chance goes away. This is 99% bullshit. The prosecutor has discretion of what to do. Furthermore, unless you're trapping out of your house, no jury is going to want to make your family homeless. Remember, if the cops do a bunch of evil shit, it's much easier for the jury to take your side. They bluff. A LOT. 2) Your friend is already talking. How else would we know ______? If you don't start talking soon, he's going to be the one with the deal. They already snitched on you, do yourself a favor and help yourself out too. Another common lie. They will try to pit you against each other. Silence is important in all cases. Even if it's a traffic stop where they split you up and ask you both the same questions to see if your stories match. You do not have to talk to them. They're looking for reasonable suspicion / probable cause. Simply state "I'm not answering any questions that aren't related to the current situation." In some cases it's best to cooperate fully if you know they won't catch you in a lie. YMMV. Anything you say can be used against you. With one piece of information they get from you or your friend, they can turn around and use it to get even more with the other person. Keep your mouth shut. 3) Asking a passenger for ID Not all states are stop and ID states. Plenty of them are not. I've seen countless videos where cops demand ID from everyone in the car and then someone ends up having a warrant or things escalate. If you're not driving, you (possibly) do not have to ID. You can refuse. Some cops are unaware of this so there may be arguing, or they may lie and say you have to. If you get charged for not providing ID and you're technically in the right, then I'm assuming what follows would fall under "fruits of the poisonous tree", and not be eligible to be used against you (i.e. charges dropped) but someone with more legal knowledge can correct me. 4) If you talk, it will make it easier in the long run. If you fess up, we will go lenient on you Majority of the time, you're digging your own grave if you talk. I'll link some interrogation videos below, but there are SO many instances where people fall into the trap of thinking the cop is their friend. DO NOT FALL FOR THIS. They will try to build rapport in various ways. They will pay attention to your every gesture and move. They will nail you to the fucking wall as soon as they can. They want a confession, clues, anything to build a case against you. I've seen so any cases where people could've walked away and likely gotten away with literal murder, but instead told on themselves. Invoke your right to remain silent, and ask for a lawyer. That's all you should say, ESPECIALLY if you're not yet under arrest. I DON'T CARE IF YOU THINK IT MAKES YOU LOOK GUILTY. I WOULD RATHER LOOK GUILTY AND BE FREE THAN LOOK INNOCENT AND BE IN PRISON. They cannot use your right to counsel against you. Nothing is wrong with wanting a legal professional on your side when answering any questions. If they bring you in for questioning, insist on having a lawyer with you. For youtube channels that show interrogations and point out techniques, see "JCS - Criminal Psychology" (aka JimCantSwim) and Red Tree Stories. For a channel with a lawyer who speaks wisdom and even covers some JCS videos, look up CLR Bruce Rivers. Please add any relevant police lies / tactics. Thanks. (Bonus from personal knowledge) 5) We already know everything. Jimmy is already telling us everything we need to know. Either you can fill in a few blanks and tell your side and not be charged, or we can charge you. We really don't want to charge you, so if you can just help us out a bit, it will go nicely for you. Again, police love to lie. They will instill a sense of urgency, they will play it down like you're doing the right thing by talking to the police, they will pit you against others, they will straight up LIE about things, they will make it sound like they are judge, jury, and executioner. They are not. For some further reading, check out https:// casetext .c0m /case/united-states-v-ramos-270 The following guy sounds fucked right? (From a news site:) PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — Rhode Island State Police say they have arrested a fugitive from Massachusetts in a Providence apartment where they also found nearly two pounds of pure fentanyl with a street value of more than $30,000. Police say 52-year-old Jesus Ramos was arrested Wednesday on drug trafficking and fugitive charges after authorities learned he was staying at the apartment. Rhode Island authorities say Ramos is wanted in Massachusetts for allegedly skipping bail while awaiting trial on drug and gun charges. He is due in court in Providence on Thursday. In addition to the powerful opioid fentanyl, investigators say they found 10 grams of heroin, two presses used for packing fentanyl, heroin and other narcotics, and drug packaging materials in the Providence apartment. Well, he ended up pursuing a motion to suppress based on various things. It was granted. "...It seems possible, though not inevitable, that the police could have provided enough information in the affidavit to establish probable cause for either the cell-record warrant or the physical-search warrant without the taint of illegality. But, as the Court has found, they did not. However, even if the discovery of evidence was inevitable, to apply the inevitable-discovery rule here is not appropriate. It could encourage law enforcement official to seek warrants without supplying the reviewing judicial officer with the facts necessary to ensure probable cause exists. The cell-record warrant the police received was vastly broad, and premised only on the assertion that a credible source had linked the number to the defendant. The weighty privacy considerations that attend such a search demand that the inevitable-discovery exception not apply." Things are not always black and white. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Addendum, added due to questions: They require reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed to pull you over / detain you. This can include the officer witnessing a traffic violation among other things listed below. What is reasonable suspicion? It refers to the belief, based on specific facts and circumstances, that a person may be involved in illegal activities or poses a threat to public safety. Unlike probable cause, which requires a higher level of hard evidence, reasonable suspicion is a lower standard that allows law enforcement officers to briefly detain an individual or conduct a limited search for the purpose of further investigating potential illegal activity. Articulable Facts Reasonable suspicion means that law enforcement officers must be able to articulate the reasons for their suspicion and provide factual information supporting their belief. If you watch any police auditors, or people wrongfully stopped, they may ask "What is your reasonable, articulable suspicions for detaining me?" see: https://www youtube com/watch?v=954d1UzdVcY (CLEARNET), or search "P.I. and Ex-Cop OWNS Clueless Cops On DashCam Observations and Behavior "Officers may consider the behavior, actions, and appearance of an individual when assessing reasonable suspicion. Suspicious behavior, unusual movements, furtive gestures, or attempts to evade law enforcement can contribute to reasonable suspicion." Information and Tips "Information received from reliable sources, informants, or anonymous tips can be taken into account. However, the credibility and veracity of the source may influence the weight given to the information in establishing reasonable suspicion." Geographic Factors "The location and context of the encounter can be relevant in determining reasonable suspicion. High-crime areas or places known for illegal activities may heighten an officer’s suspicions, but mere presence in such an area is not enough to establish reasonable suspicion on its own." Time and Circumstances "The time of day or night, along with the circumstances surrounding the encounter, can contribute to the reasonable suspicion analysis. For example, suspicious behavior that occurs during late-night hours in an area known for drug trafficking may raise the level of suspicion." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Requirement of Probable Cause "To obtain a search warrant, law enforcement officers must demonstrate to a judge or magistrate that there is probable cause to believe that a crime has been committed and that evidence or contraband related to the crime can be found in the specified location. Probable cause requires a reasonable belief, supported by sufficient facts and circumstances, that a search will lead to the discovery of evidence of a crime." Exceptions include if you consent to a search, if suspect is at risk of imminent harm, if they search you after already being arrested, and searches of items in plain view. If you are arrest they can tow your vehicle and take an inventory of it.

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The friend YOU asked for:

Cop1: Do you know why you're sitting here?

Cop2: {yells} You better hurry up, answer! You know why you're here?

Friend: {Laughs} Dude. chill. Get me a lawyer.

C1: You want a lawyer you say? Are you sure?

C2: {laughing} This bitch thinks a lawyer can help him...

F: Yes I want a lawyer before I will answer any other questions.

{C1 leaves scene}

C2: {attempts to adopt DI tough guy look} You shouldn't have done that. Now it can only go badly for you ... ... ... {2 mins later} C2 Arent you going to say anything? ... ... ... {2 mins later} C2. You should talk to us before that lawyer gets here. Once he arrives, its all on record and its all admissible, we cant help you at all. ... ... ... {2 mins later} -{C1 renters scene} C1: Ok we've called the lawyer's number you provided, we left a message. Now you can talk to us.

F: Not without my lawyer present

C2: {yelling} Were going to stick you in with the murderers right now if you don't talk to us. C1: Relax partner, he doesn't need to go into a general population right this second C2: {yelling} I'm tired, have to do all this damn paperwork for this asshole, and he wont say shit. Your damn right I'm putting him in the deepest cell I can order. I'm getting that written now. {C2 departs scene} ... ... ... {5 mins later} C1: You know, He sounded pretty pissed, He's already 20 hours over this week, and your now keeping him from his daughters birthday... This isn't going to go well, you should talk to me. ... ... ... {2 mins later} C1: Really You can chat with me, I don't want to see my partner order that cell for you. ... ... ... {2 mins later} C1: OK, well it shouldn't be long. Can I get you a drink while you wait, it's only going to be a few minutes, you will not be able to get a drink again for a while. ... ... ...

{C1 sticks his head out of the door and asks for water in room 4} {12 mins later} {Detective1 arrives with cup of water} D1: I hear you're giving the guys a rough time today. They've ordered your lawyer, we still haven't heard from him. C2 is asking we send you off to state right now, and let your lawyer track you there on a 48 hour hold until we can get more evidence. That order is with the DA now, on its way to the judge. I'm here to see if i can keep all that from happening.

We already know, You were discovered at the scene, with a dead woman, a dead man, a pile of cash, and 2 other accomplices.

Accomplice1 has already admitted you three went there to rob them of the cash. Accomplice2 has told us you didn't have a gun, you were just the driver.

We've got enough to put you away, for a long time already, which is why C2 is asking for that 48 hour hold, on its way to a judge so he can drive you up to state and stick you in real prison.

Talk to me, we can make that stop, we can get you out of here and on your way home. If you were just the driver, and didn't know why you were going, as we are told, its not going to be hard on you...

F: (having been arrested inside the place) You know. OK man, I give up. I was in the place. Hiding when the cops arrived, I was scared. Then... I can't help that I saw the cop walk in and attempt to have sex with the corpse in the room. It was the dead dude too... like man wtf are you even doing... I was scared of who may be entering. I was hiding. But that. Seeing that dude in a uniform... pretty sure that guy was a cop. Maybe he was a fireman. I thought, still do he was a cop. Firemen don't carry guns at all. Ive never seen a fireman carrying a gun have you?

D1: NO, that isn't what we are talking about. You said you were there. Now how did the people get dead, before or after you got there.

F: What you've never seen a fireman carrying a gun either then? I didn't think so. So who was the cop who walked in and tried to fuck the dudes corpse? I'm pretty sure he had one of those jew names like leibowitz or some shit... There were a lot of you there, couple of jews. I can pick him out of a lineup I'm sure, get me a lineup of the police that were there, I need to ID this man. He attempted to have sex with a male corpse on a crime scene. How often does this happen? Do we have cops running around having sex with corpses regularly? What are you going to do about that guy? Why aren't you taking my statement seriously. I saw a guy attempting to have sex with a corpse.

D1: Enough with the BS man. We arrested you, and 2 others, in the house, there were 2 dead bodies, we have the other 2 guys, one says your just the driver and you all just arrived, one says you weren't involved in anything. I'm trying to keep you out of jail.

Just give me a little bit to help you out here.

F: Has my lawyer arrived?

D1: Not yet.

F: then back to my questions for you. I told you, I am here to file a complaint. I want to file a complaint against that officer for attempting to defile a corpse and film it. I can only assume you are going to look into this? This leibowitz came in the room before all the other police arrived, and before he saw the hiding people, he attempted to sodomize the corpse. It cause me to shout out in disgust. Now you know why I was there, I was watching leibowitz, I knew he was a corpse fucker.

Why aren't you writing any of this down? Really. I am attempting to take the time you are holding me and file a complaint against an officer. Pick up the pen state servant and take my complaint. Or get some other state servant in here to take my complaint.

D1: Dude, your making this worse on yourself. Its a funny story. Impossible, but funny, because it tells me why you were there.

Are you going to tell me why you were in that room?

F: Are you going to take my complaint? Matter of fact, what was your name again public servant? Make sure you bring me a person who can take 2 complaints, one fore leibowitz fucking a corpse and one for you for failure to take my complaint seriously.

Hurry. Fetch. Go. Be a good boy. Get me a person to take my complaints and give me complaint numbers now. ... ... ... {2 mins later} F: Why are you still here fucktard? You refuse to take my complaint, therefor you are useless, now go get me some other public servant that will take my complaint. FETCH BITCH. ... ... ... {2 mins later} F: ... D1: ... ... ... ... {2 hours later} D1: seems we cant hold you anymore F. C1: Were letting him go? D1: The other 2 are leaving now.

F: Are you ready to take my complaint fucking slow ass public servant? I've been waiting hours!

(edited for spelling and punctuation)

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That is hilarious!

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The base if it just popped into my head as soon as I read your comment. I thought it was funny too.