Anyone here heard of anyone who has successfully argumented the "freeman" argument in court? (law of the land)

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It’s not wise to argue in court period. Arguments can land contempt charges, and any controversy will get sent to trial for fact finding, and you’ve given jurisdiction at that point. You become the defendant and will be surety for the commercial debt associated with the charges. You would have to ask a series of questions that pin the judge in a corner as to the nature of the charges. They will tell you the cause all day, but the nature is what matters.

I guess as long as you know you’re not the named defendant you have a shot, but they’re highly trained against most positions and arguments, and love to make fools of people with a little bit of the truth.

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What if you didnt agree to be your name, how would they proceed? As in take control of the birth name as it is a coorporation.

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Tough to say for sure as every judge is different. They might ask if “you are representing yourself” they might threaten to arrest the defendant for failure to appear etc. so it’s best to address the matter by way of special appearance and refer to the name as the defendant at all times, and never as though it was you.

It’s all at admiralty (colorably) presumed to be over condition of commercial contract. You can ask them to reveal the nature and cause of the charges (6th amendment). They will talk about the cause all day long, you did this or you failed to do that etc; but will not admit to the nature, as even criminal actions are actually civil in nature (called a penal action) where there is a monetary value attached to each charge. They will hold you on behalf of the defendant in prison, and your labor therein will pay off the charges.

They might ask how you plead to the charges. Never plead period. Say you haven’t seen the charges. If they bring you a piece of paper, you can look at it but repeat that you don’t see the charges. You can tell them your intent to pleading guilty to the facts (but don’t let them put words in your mouth of pleading guilty to the charges), as they want a dispute (dishonor) which will take the case to trial for fact finding. You need to see the original charging instrument, with actual blue ink signatures on it.

You can ask the judge to direct the prosecutor to provide an assessment for the charges, along with a certified audit trail of all transactions, including vouchers as well as all dispersement documents and receipts. The prosecutor might motion for dismissal

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I have known about this concept for over 20 years. Once YouTube came aroundn I would see lots of videos over the years of people trying this in court. Almost all of then ended up in cuffs. The only one that I saw that had a different outcome is where the guy asked the judge about his oaths of office and where his allegiance was (might have asked him if we was a mason) and the judge just got up and left the court. The video ended and there was no followup information. The videos since then where a similar method was tried, the judge usually interrupts them as they start asking and says something along the lines of "we're not addressing THAT today, of you persost with that line of questioning, I will find you in contempt of court".

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It's convoluded nonsense. The arguments are only ever supported by more nonsensical arguments that are in turn supported by more nonsense.

It seems that the people who argue for it are playing that game knowing that this kind of recursive logic is wrong, but they have an agenda and know that so long as they never admit that it is bullshit then there will be stupid people who believe it.

The very idea that the government does not have the power to issue laws or enforce them is retarded on it's face.

If the courts are not valid then the gun IS the law so either way you better do what they say or fight them to the death.

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Same as flat earth and space is ghey people...

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No. Want to know how to tell it is snake oil? They always try to sell you a book or paywall.

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Are you a book salesman??

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No.

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You dont smell..!

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Do you have a birth certificate... And why is that?

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I may or may not.

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Good man, you get it. Research maritime law.

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I remember seeing a video about someone who tried it and held up the court by asking the judge under whose authority he was acting and I think the the judge left the court room and the guy said he won because the judge left. I don't think it was a criminal case. Didn't that murder monkey nigger that drove the van into white people try something like this and got gagged?

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I remember that. He was a weirdo. He went by Kate of Gaia I believe. Not sure if he was a tranny or what; but that was in the early days of learning the courts aren’t what we thought. I think most of what he did came from, or was inspired by what Dean Clifford had learned by his countless fights with the Canadian court system. Dean was the first I ever heard talk about the trust setup etc.