Lyrically Ted and rush are a ah no but musically both can be jamming good in a properly setup system using a remasteded digital copy. With proper leveling and such Marilyn Manson is a musical and lyrical genius the way he modeled so many with his wild imaging twisting of idols, ideas and perception of self. He made Satan popular again Manson and slipknot are trash but modelled society and social construction heavily.