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And of course there's a war with Russia, which might try to destabilize the western economies and monetary system if that's possible.

Shouldn't the prices for those commodities be sky-high because everyone tries to hedge against inflation as well as the looming monetary crisis? Why isn't that the case?

And of course there's a war with Russia, which might try to destabilize the western economies and monetary system if that's possible. Shouldn't the prices for those commodities be sky-high because everyone tries to hedge against inflation as well as the looming monetary crisis? Why isn't that the case?

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gold is a means of exchange, it has no intrinsic value (meaning you cannot use for much, beside as a means of exchange), so, in a dire situation, you value more something you can eat than gold...

crypto, it needs a fully working and stable society to have ANY value, so, .... if things are messy, it has no value whatsoever.

stocks, well, think, apple (they make barely two products and have and edge only in USA, has more "value" than Aramco ? really ?) Not to mention facebook .... both of them are totally useless in difficult situations.

Finally, russia trying to destabilize western economies ? sorry to burst your bubble, (((we))) did all of it on our own will and desire.

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gold is a means of exchange, it has no intrinsic value

Gold always has value. It's not rational, but it's true. Gold is different from all other commodities. It doesn't matter that you can't eat it, people will value it anyway, under any circumstance.

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When you're starving, a pile of gold is worthless to you.

you would trade it all for a loaf of bread.

Gold has value because it's beautiful and LIMITED. It cannot be printed. Thus it is a perfect medium of exchange.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_value

The subjective theory of value is an economic theory which proposes the idea that the value of any good is not determined by the utility value of the object, nor by the cumulative value of components or labour needed to produce or manufacture it, but instead is determined by the individuals or entities who are buying or selling the object in question.

Gold is also used in the manufacture of many electrical components among other things.

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Yeah sure and bread a year on is garbage. They both have value.

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Not rational? Gold has real world use. It is in the computer you are typing on currently. As other have noted it's value in terms of trade comes from it being limited, "beautiful," not susceptible to corrosion. Silver shares many of these qualities thus is also popular as a store of value and medium of exchange.

It is a light weight medium of exchange that doesn't have you lugging around 10 gallons of milk that will go bad just so you can buy a side of pork.

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I used to think this, than I saw someone trying to exchange gold for goods in real life, and he was unable to. Nobody understood the value of gold, nobody knew how to determine if the gold was real or not, they all thought it was just a scam. The only person who would take gold for trade was a jeweler who dealt regularly in gold and understood the worth of it.

It was at that moment I realized gold is mostly useless. It'll do ok as an inflation hedge sure, but crypto will do better. If a full SHTF scenario occurs and crypto becomes worthless, gold is mostly worthless too. Like crypto, gold is only useful in a functioning society. Sure, it's slightly better, you probably can trade it for something, but you'll get much LESS value for it then you would have just simply having the commodities to begin with. Buy/store toilet paper, cigarettes, food, lighters, alcohol, ammo, etc.

If you are buying to invest against inflation, gold might retain it's value, sure, but crypto is the future of money and will appreciate.

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True story, I knew an old guy getting evicted from his home, he owed 40k and medical bills hit...

And he literally had 300k in silver on his kitchen table.

He, his family... I.... Looked for a silver broker / buyer for almost a month and while we found a few that would pay a fair price for some of the silver, we couldn't put together any deals that made sense.

He ended up losing the 120k house that he had 80k into... Because he wouldn't take 40k for 300k of silver.

Shit is only worth what people will pay for it when you need to cash out.

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owning gold was illegal in the United States until 1974. they did that to make people dumb to the fact that it's the only real form of money in the world.

it obviously worked on the sheep without father's/grandfather's to teach about this stuff.

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you are free to think that, clearly

hopefully we will not see a society where gold has no desired value, it would be some pretty crap one.

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Gold is more conductive than copper, it is a vital component in electronics. It is exceedingly rare in nature and scarcity is value.

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Gold isn't more conductive. It's about .76 if Copper is 1.0. Silver is the most conductive at 1.06, and is a great conductor of heat as well. That's why you get silver bearing thermal paste.

Gold is used in electronics because it doesn't corrode, but if plated wrong or thinly the base material will still leach through and corrode the surface. It has to be completely removed from soldering surfaces in military applications.

Here's a good chart for reference. https://www.tibtech.com/conductivite.php?lang=en_US

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and has the ability to NEVER corrode.

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>Gold always has value.

Agreed. Hence why Russia has now converted to the Gold Standard.

Should be noted that Bitcoin isnt affected by the fake news.

One Bitcoin (as of this morning) is trading at $24,874.48 to £1.

Bitcoin is cleaning house.

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And the fact that central banks all hold gold.

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crypto needs a fully working stable society

Nothing could be further from the truth. It was born out of chaos and uncertainty.

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.....where there is constant electricity and no troops in your front yard

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If there are "troops" in your front yard, no currency would have value.

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fine, call me when you can do crypto without a network and electricity

not to mention a working computer

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You go ahead and tell me how good anything will be with no power.

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Unfortunately crypto requires power and internet. Unless society is stable enough to provide these, crypto wont exist.

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So what? Keeping food cold requires power. Every banking system in the world requires internet. These silly arguments are stupid.

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Crypto going to help us survive when the lights go out.

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yah, sure, with what electricity ?

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Finally, russia trying to destabilize western economies ? sorry to burst your bubble, (((we))) did all of it on our own will and desire.

Not my bubble, and not only (((we))) did it, but we did it as well, because voters vote for welfare spending and government grandeur. You can't blame everything on kikes.

Anyways, if western economies are destabilized, be it by kikes russians or whomever, shouldn't prices for commodities that traditionally serve as a value-storage increase? Because exactly that isn't happening.

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Imagine still thinking that this government was legitimately elected...

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Never said that, but government cutting all waste and welfare isn't what gets politicians votes or donations, so as soon as there are election, things will always degenerate into socialism. That's not the kikes but the democratic system itself.

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There is no such thing as "value storage" something that is valuable today may be useless tomorrow.

Everything, even gold.

There is something that is "constant in value" and is the human manpower but nobody has made a currency out of it, yet.

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If the prices of investment goods that keep their value don't go up during a time of bad inflation, something is wrong with the current economic theories.

There is something that is "constant in value" and is the human manpower but nobody has made a currency out of it, yet.

Hitler tried

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For gold it's the opposite: it is a realiable store of value BUT as a means of exchange is nearly worthless because in dire situations it is difficult to carry around, smelt, divide and so forth. But, you can store value and eventually fine someone that will trade out for that value.

Crypto has the same value as fiat, gold, silver or sea shells. You can store and exchange value relatively easily with it, so you are wrong there.

Stocks have the same value as above, value is is a psychological mechanism humans use to convert value between things of unequal kind, so you are wrong there as well. However, stocks are more speculative than any of the above because they are backed by organizations and not a generalized exchange mechanism.

You are last on the last part.

You got 1 out of 5 right. Won't be subscribing to your newsletter.

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what newsletter ?

we have a different idea of what "reliable" means.

Have a nice day

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I'm just giving you a hard time. All good.

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'gold has no intrinsic value' i stopped reading your shit right there

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Good, it would not make a difference.

Have a nice day

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Because the gold market is highly manipulated. It is almost impossible to trade real gold. Gold trading is done using certifucates which promise gold as a way of claiming they are backed by gold but there is no requirement for actual gold to be in reserve. So there is far more gold certificates than there is gold. They can essentially print certificates like toilet paper.

Meanwhile physical gold is subject to taxes and broker fees twice. Once when you buy and again when you sell. This destroys the ability for regular people to hedge with real gold.

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No it doesn't. You just buy and sell in Kilos, then broker-fees don't matter. One kilo is something like $60k, i.e well within what ordinary boomers have as savings.

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The market is not liquid enough for that. Maybe in Walled gardens where only bankers are allowed. The local exchange is not going to buy 60k in gold from you for a negligible fee. Also tax is a percentage not a fixed rate.

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Well, not far from where I am there's a a local shop of a mint that buys and sells large amounts of gold, and their spread is less than two percents you're talking kilos. I think it's even less than one percent. The spread for coins is far larger.

Besides, if there's inflation, this means, that the markets have too much liquidity. If markets aren't liquid enough, there's no inflation. And if there's no inflation, what happened to all this money that has been printed during the past few years?

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Also tax is a percentage not a fixed rate.

Then the issue is taxes, or market interference, and not gold.

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Big money is flipping their assets to cash and real estate in preparation for the coming massive interest rate hikes.

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Why would anyone want to have excess cash during a time of heavy inflation and a contraction of stuff that's being available, i.e. is being produced and shipped to the US? That's what I don't understand. Money should lose, not gain, in value.

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Because they have no idea where else to put it. The entire Western way of life is falling apart and the people of the West are unable to even identify non Western associations to "invest" themselves in.

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so everyone sells his stocks and gold and crypto just to have some $ and €, of which they know that they'll lose value?

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When interest rates go up to 1970s level you'll want cash

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People are securing as many dollars as they can before it all falls apart.

When it all falls apart there will be a complete revaluing of everything.

Trust me… sauerkraut is gonna be HUGE! Lol.

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And Buckwheat! Two totally underrated foods that can be grown even on the shittiest of soils.

Honk honk! It's Opposite Day every day.

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Because (((crypto))) is why. Only kikes push (((digital currency))). Stop falling for the jew lie.

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Only it's the exact opposite. Here's someone that doesn't know only jew banks make US dollars.

https://youtu.be/JG5c8nhR3LE

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Crypto is "created" as fiat the same way you nigger lover.

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No, it's not you dumb ass. Using bitcoin as an example, you have to do a ton of cpu computations and set up the infrastructure to create it. You can't just wish it into existence. US dollars are literally created by kike banks AT WILL to give to BLM, etc.

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Because prices are completely 100% manipulated to make sure the little guy can't get rich. They pump like crazy when people can't afford it because of covid, then they hang out at ATH areas for a year or so, then come crashing down once they've unloaded a bunch at high prices. They will hit rock bottom soon enough for you to load up for the next run. BTC spot ETF approval will be a good area to start selling off.

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I think this is mostly it. The prices are completely manipulated so there are regular peaks and troughs for the big guys.

You aint in the club, so if you're young enough to wait out a 10 year cycle your best bet is to just leave your money in and wait for the next up.

Diversify of course as they can pick and choose what to run with next. Physical assets are more stable long term, which is why blackrock et al are buying all the homes.

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Bitcoin's previous low last cycle was in the $3800 range only 2 years ago. Ethereum was $120. Their price may seem low now because it was pushing 100k and 6k but it is and will remain higher than it was then by orders of magnitude and it will push past 100k again in the next cycle. It should be looked at as another opportunity.

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(((They))) are doing this to decrease confidence in crypto.....can't have Bitcoin reigning supreme.

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The petrol dollar is still in effect, although waining. And US bonds still dominate, this is correlated with the value of the dollar. You have to keep in mind, most all other counties debased their currencies too. The net effect is the US is still the cleanest shirt in the hamper. People are running to safety. You can see proof of this in the dollar index, look at the 6 month

https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/index/dxy

So a strengthening dollar means deflation, it takes less money to buy gold or stocks. And the price goes down.

Also, the financial system is a scam, these money changers are protecting their assets. As the system is cheated we see more disequilibrium of the invisible hand. Food, gas and property are way up, while gold, crypto and stocks go down. The next stage in this disequilibrium is an inverted yield curve as things push their way back to equilibrium.

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