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So my military has decided to make the shot mandatory. It's not yet fully known when the cutoff date is, but I've heard of people in other brigades being ordered to get it on December 6th even though, like I said, officially it's not known when the requirement officially comes to pass.

So there's two options, because getting the shot isn't one of them.

  1. Dishonest: get a fake pass, get by for another six months until you need a booster and who knows if you need some kind of digital proof by then. That would raise red flags as to why you don't want the booster which will be required. Or maybe it'll be illegal to get it outside of the military. So you're buying yourself six months at most.

  2. Honest: Say no and hope they let me go on at least a general discharge. Worst case I get a monetary fine which will be in the thousands and then again a fine and again until they give me disciplinary arrest and then military jail with dishonorable discharge for disobeying orders.

I'm one of less than 20 in my company (150ish soldiers) who aren't vaxxed and I'm thinking most of them will take it. A few might do a fake pass.

Are there any options I'm missing? Religious exemption doesn't exist here. Laywer is pretty much pointless and just a hassle at this point, you wouldn't sue in communist Russia so why bother here. Another thing with the fake pass, you will be used for corona help centers and so will end up contact tracing which I can't morally support and that might lead to rounding people up like in Australia.

My wife says to just refuse and take on whatever punishment. We're Christian so she's probably right. Getting a fake pass is like half cucking because I don't have faith that God will somehow get me through. On the other hand you wouldn't put it past someone in commie Russia to fake a pass 50 years ago to avoid jail.

But I think she's right, we need people to stand up and say no.

Oh another thing, if I get myself another 6 months and evrything goes well I'd be able to finish getting an MOS which would be of great use in a civil war.

So my military has decided to make the shot mandatory. It's not yet fully known when the cutoff date is, but I've heard of people in other brigades being ordered to get it on December 6th even though, like I said, officially it's not known when the requirement officially comes to pass. So there's two options, because getting the shot isn't one of them. 1. Dishonest: get a fake pass, get by for another six months until you need a booster and who knows if you need some kind of digital proof by then. That would raise red flags as to why you don't want the booster which will be required. Or maybe it'll be illegal to get it outside of the military. So you're buying yourself six months at most. 2. Honest: Say no and hope they let me go on at least a general discharge. Worst case I get a monetary fine which will be in the thousands and then again a fine and again until they give me disciplinary arrest and then military jail with dishonorable discharge for disobeying orders. I'm one of less than 20 in my company (150ish soldiers) who aren't vaxxed and I'm thinking most of them will take it. A few might do a fake pass. Are there any options I'm missing? Religious exemption doesn't exist here. Laywer is pretty much pointless and just a hassle at this point, you wouldn't sue in communist Russia so why bother here. Another thing with the fake pass, you will be used for corona help centers and so will end up contact tracing which I can't morally support and that might lead to rounding people up like in Australia. My wife says to just refuse and take on whatever punishment. We're Christian so she's probably right. Getting a fake pass is like half cucking because I don't have faith that God will somehow get me through. On the other hand you wouldn't put it past someone in commie Russia to fake a pass 50 years ago to avoid jail. But I think she's right, we need people to stand up and say no. Oh another thing, if I get myself another 6 months and evrything goes well I'd be able to finish getting an MOS which would be of great use in a civil war.

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[–] • 18 pts

Make them fire you

[–] • 5 pts

Simple and to the point, thanks. Got lots going through my head right now.

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Dude, a few months ago, at great expense and stress, I moved from a place that was totally insane with virus rules, to a place 4500 miles away where life is normal. It was a pain in the ass, but my life is better than ever, in every way. The move wasn't fun, but the end result absolutely justified it. Imagine the shit our ancestors went through..

[–] • 4 pts

I am envious. I am very interested in where life is better so that I can move there ASAP

[–] • 3 pts

The impossible life in Britain in the 1700's for those without the king's patronage was why millions got on ships to America. You are a modern pioneer.

[–] • 2 pts

I did that one year ago, CA to TX. It's night and day difference. Haven't had to deal with any jewflu rules for 6 months now.

[–] • 2 pts

Doing the same thing. In the middle of the move at this moment. I quit my job because i would not give them a clot shot status. In retro, should have made them fire me. In the normal place were moving to, have already secured a job. Not saying it is easy, but it can be done.

[–] • 0 pt

Where did you move from/to?

[–] • 3 pts

I'm in your position and I simply quit without explaining why. But I quit exactly on the date they required proof of the vaxx.

[–] • 2 pts

Yep, same here. I even got 3 more email after my resignation asking why I quit and would I expand on why I resigned.

[–] • 1 pt

In the military you have a contract that you can't quit though. That's the thing, on top of them being able to crush your life in just about every way if they want to - monetary fines, jail and a criminal record.

[–] • 0 pt

Careful with the dishonorable discharge, it might make it very difficult for you to find a job in private sector. Are you in Europe?

[–] [deleted] • 3 pts

Military discharge only matters if you admit to being ex-military. Might keep you from working for government, but not private sector. Speaking from experience. In the little box on applications, I always said no. Never once bit me in the ass.

Don't ask, don't tell. Learned that from the military.

[–] • 1 pt

Yep, central western europe. Don't want to doxx myself though.

[–] • 5 pts

It is very quickly escalating to a point where people’s lives are being shattered from the mandates all over the globe. We are not far from a point where people have very few non-violent alternatives.

[–] • 1 pt

Agreed! Reasoning with the devil is not working out. So what else is there when the devil only understands violence?

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I figure it won't hurt to add another:

Be honest, don't take it, let them fire you.

Seek God, pray, increase your connection with him. He will guide those who love him, but he can't do it if you can't hear his spirit.

God bless you and yours.

[–] • 3 pts

LIE. Fuck everybody. Do whatever you want. Everybody else is the same. Look out for number one at all costs.

[–] • 3 pts (edited )

I don't know enough about the military to answer however I do think if you can keep yourself jab free for as long as possible there is a good chance it will be generally recognized as harmful and no longer be forced. We are seeing that some places.

Of course for the globalists this has been known but they seem to be unable to fight a certain level of knowledgeable resistance. Perhaps they feel a short term violent outbreak will upset their long term plans which call for them to wait until most of the vaxxed die in 5 years. So they are going for getting as many vaxxed as possible but not pushing it to the point of violence now.

They always think very very long term. Decades not months. If they can wipe out 70% of population without starting a war that causes their downfall then they won't go for 100% which might cause a war and their downfall.

The medical evidence coming out and talked about by a few brave doctors seems pretty clear the jab will kill or cripple you in an average of 5 years via both heart and immune degradation. It's irreversible. Might as well inject yourself with terminal cancer cells.

So avoid it.

Remember if true what ever society rules exist now will probably not exist in 5 yrs. Dishonorable discharge would probably not even be on spectrum of consideration as people try to keep power plants running etc.

[–] • 3 pts

A man without honor is nothing. Be honest.

[–] • 3 pts

Morals and honor, these two things are missing from 50 % of our population

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Just remember that God will take care of you. Have faith and he will place your where you need to be. Be honest and let God sort out the details. In the long run you will be right where you need to be for the days to come. This fight is a spiritual one. Have faith brother. from a Retired Vet.

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Thank you, means a lot coming from a vet.

[–] • 1 pt

Weak-ass faggots who can't say No got us into this mess to begin with.

Want to live in an honest society?

Or one where everyone lies to buy "6 months"?

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Obedience to the Lord in that we as believers are not to lie. This then upholds the example that we are to present to each other in order to uphold and encourage virtue. As to unbelievers who observe our integrity as compared to the world: they get lied to enough, they might get sick of the world system. If they participate in lying, they too will receive consequence for their actions.

Obedience to the prompting of the Holy Spirit and to follow the conviction of the conscience. It is good that you have some concern about lying. It is wonderful that you are prepared to stand by the decision that you must make. Be the man that your family needs you to be. That you stood up and were honest and unafraid. I also do not hear hate nor resentment in your post, but even some calmness and prayerful consideration.

Obedience brings blessings. We are infinitely loved, therefore we cannot "earn" more love from Him. But we can bring Him increase of joy over us and to please Him, by being in obedience.

The world hates the word "obedience". Only a believer, by His Holy Spirit indwelt, can comprehend to some degree what obedience really is.The world abuses this principle of obedience. It instead compels rather than elicits right use of free will. While we may receive worldly penalty for obedience to God and also being true to ourselves, one cannot even imagine the hidden blessings and protection from living in a manner like Christ. You will, i believe, find yourself rewarded in some manner, some favor, when you do not lie and TAKE A STAND.

I pray wisdom for you, discernment, and to truly follow the choices that you believe that the Lord would have you make. I do not know what that will look like. Not for me to say. But i believe that He will let you know.

I do rather agree that it is for THEM to let you go, should you refuse the vaxx. I am likely facing the same choice. It is rapidly coming to that. They desire to inject urgency and us to preempt with hasty action, so as to pull us in. Take the time you need. Dont do them a favor, i would opine that it is for them to let you go, not you let go of them.

Godspeed and the Lord bless you and your fam in this wicked world. Our actions are FOR God and not AGAINST those who knowingly or ignorantly serve evil. There is divine justice for that. We need more like you who desire to follow His lead.

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Addendum to this previous comment: Very important the aspect of honorable vs dishonorable discharge. It is important to consider the consequences of the latter if it is threatened to be imposed. Not a thing to sneeze at. Seek wiser counsel on this. I do agree with the aspect of choice to refuse the vaxx and being honest in that. As to the consequences that you would reap, the question would be how that would roll out. Therefore to get clarity on what that would look like. In that i plead ignorance. Be wise as serpents, innocent as doves. In other words: Be savvy and remain blameless.

Godspeed.

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Thank you for your reply, I do think the honest NO is the best way now.

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I believe that you will feel God's Peace when you do arrive fully at your decision/choice.

While i respect entirely your choice, however that turns out to be, i will say from experience that when i have been faced with a very important, life altering choice... when i have conversed with Him (prayed), and listened, and was willing to follow His guidance, He then imparts a certain type of peace. The peace that comes from accepting His lead in the matter.

That is the indicator for me. Supernatural peace.

He does desire the best for us. Even in the storm, He will show us the way. I pray the best for you, in any case. In Jesus' Name.

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Rise up and acquit yourself as a free man If you allow others to forcibly put something in your body you don't want you are no more than a slave girl. Say no , I'm not taking the jab and deal with the consequences

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

If you get a fake pass, you reinforce the system and make it harder for many (who can't or won't fake it) to survive.

Please resist.

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