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I need to level the playing field when it comes to arguing with leftists

I need to level the playing field when it comes to arguing with leftists

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just frame everything in appeals to emotion

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Literally hurts my head to have to argue in that manner.

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The normie is immunized against all facts: one may call him a retard, waterhead, lazy, ignorant, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But use his feelings against him and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “S-shut up racist!"

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You are talking to brain damaged people so that is the point.

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Persuasion by Robert Cialdini covers the basics of opinion wrangling. However, you aren’t going to like the bigger answer, here. In short, facts don’t matter.

The so-called left, and, if I’m being more precise, it’s anybody who craves power, regardless of the phony paradigm, don’t deal in facts unless they’re attempting to dismantle or poke holes in yours. That’s the Achilles heel of arguing with them or debating them: because you are bound by the laws of reality and evidence, you are held down. They, on the other hand, deal in feelings and promises of what might be, no matter how fanciful or idiotic.

They don’t answer questions about who pays for their massive social programs. They don’t get held accountable when they engage in hypocrisy because they “clearly mean well.” They don’t get fact checked because what they say “feels true.” They are not judged for past performance because they’re only as bad as their next promise or proposal for yet another untenable idea.

Their position is always that things are bad now because those who lack vision and heart are holding humanity back from the next step that will be the “progress” toward the fanciful utopia they always claim is just over the next horizon. Their predictions of gloom and doom always center on the creature under the bed or the menace lurking in the shadows of the closet, evidence of which can be fabricated or just outright ignored because it doesn’t have to exist.

The answer is instead to “out feel” them. Don’t worry with facts or evidence. It’s about making the audience feel good about you and your ideas. Don’t allow the lack of data to get in the way of a good narrative, because your “rightness” and “righteousness” should be all that matter. You and your ideas have to be likable. That’s all that matters.

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They don’t get fact checked because what they say “feels true good.”

This Is our biggest problem right now, fairy tales and wishful thinking supplant reality. Objective truths like "finite resources" be dammed.

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This is a problem as old as time. A proper education/training can make a great man, while an education subverted can make an easily lead and emotion driven animal.

Hell, Cicero made good warning on this very thing.

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My word choice of “feels true” was deliberate, as it was the exact phrase used by the so called scientist about wearing two masks being more effective than just one.

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Start reading their content. Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinski. I guess a good book by someone on the dissident right is SJWs Always Lie by Vox Day. I'd also say start reading "Go Free" by Jason Kohne if you are looking how to use better rhetoric against antiWhites who call themselves leftists.

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Know your enemy, and audience.

Watch MartinezPerspective

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The Art of The Argument is a good starting point for articulating a rational argument based upon reason and evidence.

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It promised a lot but did not deliver. Reason and Evidence are not persuasive. You can't teach the left.

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True, but you dont try to teach rabid dogs either. Reason and evidence are for persuading moral people.

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Holy crap. Perfect timing! Never split the difference by a guy named Voss. No is a safe yes! I heard this guy on YouTube and he's a hostage negotiator. Confirmed my belief that you do not take no as the final answer.

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You can find the Audiobook version on

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Tactics

By: Greg Koukl

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I wouldn't necessarily say it's good, but the talmud is the current basis for most legal argumentation in the US.

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