It's a tool; Everyone should try them once.
It's a tool; Everyone should try them once.
I agree. Some people need it.
I agree. Some people need it.
Drugs are to be respected, otherwise you'll just grow to resent the very thing that could have saved you.
Read up on it. Research the effects. Measure out the dosage. If you can't measure it out, start small and don't redose thinking you're some badass.
And remember that the set and setting will be extremely important.
Drugs are to be respected, otherwise you'll just grow to resent the very thing that could have saved you.
Read up on it. Research the effects. Measure out the dosage. If you can't measure it out, start small and don't redose thinking you're some badass.
And remember that the set and setting will be extremely important.
This is all good advice. Erowid is a good resource for this type of information. Research and make informed decisions!
This is all good advice. Erowid is a good resource for this type of information. Research and make informed decisions!
I agree. Thanks for your input
I agree. Thanks for your input
When I was much younger I abused em to a point where I don't see myself ever trying them again.
When I was much younger I abused em to a point where I don't see myself ever trying them again.
What happened?
What happened?
As I said when I answered this same question a couple of weeks ago, they are a poison. Anything that fucks up your brain to that extent is a dangerous poison.
As I said when I answered this same question a couple of weeks ago, they are a poison. Anything that fucks up your brain to that extent is a dangerous poison.
Great job forgetting what I told you also then. Dosage makes it a medicine or a poison. Not the drug itself.
Great job forgetting what I told you also then. Dosage makes it a medicine or a poison. Not the drug itself.
To what extent? I have been "high" on shrooms, but I have been never been to the point that I did not know what was going on around me or could not make rational decisions. It has been a fun mind opening experience, and I've been in touch with the real world the entire time. No more intoxicated than a person who has been drinking.
To what extent? I have been "high" on shrooms, but I have been never been to the point that I did not know what was going on around me or could not make rational decisions. It has been a fun mind opening experience, and I've been in touch with the real world the entire time. No more intoxicated than a person who has been drinking.
Have you ever done them? What was your experience like?
Have you ever done them? What was your experience like?
There is evidence that it can help you deal with mental problems and it can help you become more in touch with nature like our ancestors.
There is evidence that it can help you deal with mental problems and it can help you become more in touch with nature like our ancestors.
I signed up to be in a trial for shrooms being used as an antidepressant. But wasn't selected. Lol
I signed up to be in a trial for shrooms being used as an antidepressant. But wasn't selected. Lol
There is evidence that it can help you deal with mental problems and it can help you become more in touch with nature like our ancestors.
Oh sure. And cheap wine can help you get in touch with God. And I understand cocaine will cure hangnails.
> There is evidence that it can help you deal with mental problems and it can help you become more in touch with nature like our ancestors.
Oh sure. And cheap wine can help you get in touch with God. And I understand cocaine will cure hangnails.
I think you are not willing to be convinced, but there is evidence it can cure things like depression and narcissism.
I think you are not willing to be convinced, but there is evidence it can cure things like depression and narcissism.
Any consumption of drug is bringing you out of your normal state of consciousness to a different state of consciousness. Blurring the boundary of your consciousness would indeed be an experience of being closer to God. Whether we do drugs or stay sober, we all die in the end. But excess of any kind is usually the faster way to be with God.
Any consumption of drug is bringing you out of your normal state of consciousness to a different state of consciousness. Blurring the boundary of your consciousness would indeed be an experience of being closer to God. Whether we do drugs or stay sober, we all die in the end. But excess of any kind is usually the faster way to be with God.
Microdosing twice a week when they are in season. It seriously helps heighten your outlook on life. I only do a full trip once a year or less. Like someone else mentioned, mescaline is preferable for a full trip. San Pedro is easy to find, and makes for the best experience imo, it's just difficult to consume.
Microdosing twice a week when they are in season. It seriously helps heighten your outlook on life. I only do a full trip once a year or less. Like someone else mentioned, mescaline is preferable for a full trip. San Pedro is easy to find, and makes for the best experience imo, it's just difficult to consume.
Why difficult to consume? Does it make u puke? I've never tried mescaline but I've heard wild things.
Why difficult to consume? Does it make u puke? I've never tried mescaline but I've heard wild things.
Yeah it's wildly bitter and you will puke, and you should be trying to hold it in as long as possible. Oh and you have to eat like a pound of it. But by the time you are puking the trip has started and it's plenty euphoric.
Yeah it's wildly bitter and you will puke, and you should be trying to hold it in as long as possible. Oh and you have to eat like a pound of it. But by the time you are puking the trip has started and it's plenty euphoric.
I don't like things that start off trips with discomfort or pain. I've tried things that the body rejected before and it didn't feel good. Esp. while tripping
I don't like things that start off trips with discomfort or pain. I've tried things that the body rejected before and it didn't feel good. Esp. while tripping
What do you consider a micro dose?
What do you consider a micro dose?
I never weigh it out, but about a quarter cap fresh or half a dry one. Ya only need the tiniest amount to get the benefits. I will definitely feel a whole cap, so I keep it under my personal threshold. Great for knocking back depression/boosting energy.
Edit: mind you where I am "cyans" are the most common and they are more potent than most others. Gotta work with what ya got and adjust the dose accordingly.
I never weigh it out, but about a quarter cap fresh or half a dry one. Ya only need the tiniest amount to get the benefits. I will definitely feel a whole cap, so I keep it under my personal threshold. Great for knocking back depression/boosting energy.
Edit: mind you where I am "cyans" are the most common and they are more potent than most others. Gotta work with what ya got and adjust the dose accordingly.
I ate a small cap and stem, that weighed .1 dry, the other day, and I had a pretty weird fuckn day. Definitely felt it. Lol
I ate a small cap and stem, that weighed .1 dry, the other day, and I had a pretty weird fuckn day. Definitely felt it. Lol
I like drugs. I am better with drugs. Not all the time. Maybe half the time on half the time off. To me they are like buffs in an MMO. If I want to see the face of God, nicotine, actually. If I want to be calm during something stressful or look at things from new perspectives or amplify my sense of empathy or love for others, that'd be weed. If I want to get stupid and feel sick, alcohol. If I want to be alert and energized, caffeine. But I am reminded of Another Brick In The Wall (Part III):
Don't think I need anything at all
because all those drugs ..I don't know, I guess are just too much sometimes. Some people are addicts and then get off drugs and don't even care for them anymore. I am certainly not there and I would say the drugs I do are for the most part good for me. Now I might die early because of them, lol, but I stand by that last statement and won't go into it any further at the moment.
I've never done shrooms but I would like to try them. I am pro shroom. Being a bit of a drug veteran I have some mental strength in that regard. I've stared over the abyss right into hell a few times and had the mental strength to pull back and get ahold of myself when on marijuana edibles. Weirdly at times it's like I want to go stare over the abyss and tell the devil to fuck off because I tend to always want to go to the extreme and once you've stared down the devil anything less is kind of boring. So idk, maybe that's how the abyss gets you. "If you stare long enough it stares back". idk. Marijuana edibles, in particular, have taught me to get ahold of myself and say no fuck that fuck you in the worst of places. Like, I can pull up when I think other people would crash or just lose it.
So yeah I'd love some shrooms because I've never experienced them. I'm not dumb enough to not take them seriously but I think I have some immunity to the negative effects of drugs. Long answer. I just wanted to tell you all that about myself like Christopher Hitchens telling you some story about when he was a boy and for some reason you are compelled to listen to it just because of his demeanor and choice of words. Now that was a strange art form. The public speaking word smith. Like if they choose their words just right it becomes delightful to listen to. How strange.
Not like this but this is fun anyways https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wI4jMxveyI
I like drugs. I am better with drugs. Not all the time. Maybe half the time on half the time off. To me they are like buffs in an MMO. If I want to see the face of God, nicotine, actually. If I want to be calm during something stressful or look at things from new perspectives or amplify my sense of empathy or love for others, that'd be weed. If I want to get stupid and feel sick, alcohol. If I want to be alert and energized, caffeine. But I am reminded of Another Brick In The Wall (Part III):
> Don't think I need anything at all
because all those drugs ..I don't know, I guess are just too much sometimes. Some people are addicts and then get off drugs and don't even care for them anymore. I am certainly not there and I would say the drugs I do are for the most part good for me. Now I might die early because of them, lol, but I stand by that last statement and won't go into it any further at the moment.
I've never done shrooms but I would like to try them. I am pro shroom. Being a bit of a drug veteran I have some mental strength in that regard. I've stared over the abyss right into hell a few times and had the mental strength to pull back and get ahold of myself when on marijuana edibles. Weirdly at times it's like I want to go stare over the abyss and tell the devil to fuck off because I tend to always want to go to the extreme and once you've stared down the devil anything less is kind of boring. So idk, maybe that's how the abyss gets you. "If you stare long enough it stares back". idk. Marijuana edibles, in particular, have taught me to get ahold of myself and say no fuck that fuck you in the worst of places. Like, I can pull up when I think other people would crash or just lose it.
So yeah I'd love some shrooms because I've never experienced them. I'm not dumb enough to not take them seriously but I think I have some immunity to the negative effects of drugs. Long answer. I just wanted to tell you all that about myself like Christopher Hitchens telling you some story about when he was a boy and for some reason you are compelled to listen to it just because of his demeanor and choice of words. Now that was a strange art form. The public speaking word smith. Like if they choose their words just right it becomes delightful to listen to. How strange.
Not like this but this is fun anyways https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wI4jMxveyI
Grow them. It's stupid simple. The "PF Tek" method is best for beginners/growers for personal consumption. Spores are legal in all but three states.
Go to shroomery.org for the guides.
Grow them. It's stupid simple. The "PF Tek" method is best for beginners/growers for personal consumption. Spores are legal in all but three states.
Go to shroomery.org for the guides.
thank you sir.
thank you sir.
I appreciate your response. And your respect for the skrooms, but I assure you that whatever level weed edibles are on skrooms are on a higher level. So if you ever get the chance to experience them, know that you're in for a crazier trip than anything that you've experienced on edibles. It may even be similar, but shrooms will be more powerful feeling.
I appreciate your response. And your respect for the skrooms, but I assure you that whatever level weed edibles are on skrooms are on a higher level. So if you ever get the chance to experience them, know that you're in for a crazier trip than anything that you've experienced on edibles. It may even be similar, but shrooms will be more powerful feeling.
cool, thats good to know
cool, thats good to know
It's totally different, it's not like a stronger weed.
It's totally different, it's not like a stronger weed.
but I think I have some immunity to the negative effects of drugs
Said every drug addict who ever lived at some point in his addiction.
>but I think I have some immunity to the negative effects of drugs
Said every drug addict who ever lived at some point in his addiction.
It's true to get into the addiction. But some get out when they realize the negative effects eventually catch up. I was mildly addicted to weed, so I stopped smoking after being a daily smoker. I haven't smoked weed at all for the last 5 years and I don't miss it.
Addiction is not necessarily a bad thing. It's a way to cope with the harsh reality. Your mind focuses on something good to latch onto. It's when everything in your life starts to deteriorate that it becomes more of a disease than a cure. I'm sure you've heard of the addiction epidemic that's been going on for decades now. It's called obesity.
It's true to get into the addiction. But some get out when they realize the negative effects eventually catch up. I was mildly addicted to weed, so I stopped smoking after being a daily smoker. I haven't smoked weed at all for the last 5 years and I don't miss it.
Addiction is not necessarily a bad thing. It's a way to cope with the harsh reality. Your mind focuses on something good to latch onto. It's when everything in your life starts to deteriorate that it becomes more of a disease than a cure. I'm sure you've heard of the addiction epidemic that's been going on for decades now. It's called obesity.
You have much to learn.
You have much to learn.
how so?
how so?
Don't we all?
Don't we all?
Good therapy with microdosing.
Good therapy with microdosing.
If I had more, I'd try microdosing. I only have like 5 gs worth. The friend I got them from microdoses often. Id like to try it also
If I had more, I'd try microdosing. I only have like 5 gs worth. The friend I got them from microdoses often. Id like to try it also
I like them. Used to grow them years and years ago. That said, I found most Cubie strains to be a bit psychedelically and visually bland compared to the Pans and Copes. Maybe I just had a strong tolerance to psilocin and psilocybin. Now 4-AcO-DMT? That's what all shrooms wish they were; it's molecularly similar and it's believed that it metabolizes into the former chemicals, sans any and all possible body load.
The latter is very introspective and colorful, about on par with a handful of good Pans. Good luck ever getting your hands on that shit, though. I loved psyches and they were my jam for a long time. Feel a bit too old and weary for psychedelics these days but I believe they can be eye-opening, introspective, or just plain fun experiences when used responsibly by people who aren't total fucking idiots. They can also be hell if they feel like biting you, although I never once had a bad shroom trip out of many dozens (unlike LSD and various Rcs which had differing rates of bad/uncomfortable trips).
If I was to do psyches again, I'll probably just stick with n,n-DMT... which is another can of worms.
I like them. Used to grow them years and years ago. That said, I found most Cubie strains to be a bit psychedelically and visually bland compared to the Pans and Copes. Maybe I just had a strong tolerance to psilocin and psilocybin. Now 4-AcO-DMT? That's what all shrooms *wish they were*; it's molecularly similar and it's believed that it metabolizes into the former chemicals, sans any and all possible body load.
The latter is very introspective and colorful, about on par with a handful of good Pans. Good luck ever getting your hands on that shit, though. I loved psyches and they were my jam for a long time. Feel a bit too old and weary for psychedelics these days but I believe they can be eye-opening, introspective, or just plain fun experiences when used responsibly by people who aren't total fucking idiots. They can also be hell if they feel like biting you, although I never once had a bad shroom trip out of many dozens (unlike LSD and various Rcs which had differing rates of bad/uncomfortable trips).
If I was to do psyches again, I'll probably just stick with n,n-DMT... which is another can of worms.
What is body load? And I've always wanted to try DMT. Whichever form of it.
What is body load? And I've always wanted to try DMT. Whichever form of it.
"Body load" refers to real or imagined chest or torso discomfort that can sometimes come as a side effect with psychedelics.
With psychedelic tryptamines such as LSD and mushrooms, it usually manifests as mild cramps, nausea, a tightness in the chest or other odd sensations. You should try to ignore them; they're mostly psychosomatic or a harmless digestive response.
Conversely, I've found that with psychedelic phenethelyamines such as mescaline, MDA/MDMA, DOx series, 2C-x series, etc., the feeling is generally far more pronounced and shouldn't be ignored in the same way as the former class; the discomfort can stem from a real issue such as high blood pressure or hypertension. I threw away entire stashes of psychedelics without ever trying them because of the fact I was unsure if it would be hellish or if I'd even survive. 2C-P and 2C-T-7 come to mind; had some, was scared of them, never took, tossed.
As a rule of thumb, treat all psychedelics with respect and have some benzo "abort buttons" handy if you feel like you need them, especially with the phens.
As for DMT: When people think "DMT", they are thinking of the potent, utterly world-shattering, short-acting n,n-DMT. The 4-AcO-DMT I mentioned is more of a psilocin/psilocybin susbstituted analogue and has a trip quality and duration very similar to mushrooms, subjectively more "pure" feeling on the body and vivid in the mind.
"Body load" refers to real or imagined chest or torso discomfort that can sometimes come as a side effect with psychedelics.
With psychedelic tryptamines such as LSD and mushrooms, it usually manifests as mild cramps, nausea, a tightness in the chest or other odd sensations. You should try to ignore them; they're mostly psychosomatic or a harmless digestive response.
Conversely, I've found that with psychedelic phenethelyamines such as mescaline, MDA/MDMA, DOx series, 2C-x series, etc., the feeling is generally far more pronounced and shouldn't be ignored in the same way as the former class; the discomfort can stem from a real issue such as high blood pressure or hypertension. I threw away entire stashes of psychedelics without ever trying them because of the fact I was unsure if it would be hellish or if I'd even survive. 2C-P and 2C-T-7 come to mind; had some, was scared of them, never took, tossed.
As a rule of thumb, treat all psychedelics with respect and have some benzo "abort buttons" handy if you feel like you need them, especially with the phens.
As for DMT: When people think "DMT", they are thinking of the potent, utterly world-shattering, short-acting n,n-DMT. The 4-AcO-DMT I mentioned is more of a psilocin/psilocybin susbstituted analogue and has a trip quality and duration very similar to mushrooms, subjectively more "pure" feeling on the body and vivid in the mind.
If the n,nDMT is more vivid how can the other one be the earth shattering one? I've also heard that nDMT has a more "isolated" feeling trip. Like you feel like it is just you and your crazy brain going wild, and the other feels like you're more in touch with everything and experiencing things other than yourself. Also I had some 2CB, 2CE, TC..., etc., as a kid. I was swallowing it, until my friend told me to snort it. That was, to this day, the most painful thing I have ever snorted by far. My friend said "it feels like the devil took a shit on ur face" and he was right. It burned like complete hell until the pain faced into numbness and then you were gone. I have since learned that shit is terrible to ingest nasally and can cause damage. I had some wild nights as a 16y/o tho . Lol
If the n,nDMT is more vivid how can the other one be the earth shattering one? I've also heard that nDMT has a more "isolated" feeling trip. Like you feel like it is just you and your crazy brain going wild, and the other feels like you're more in touch with everything and experiencing things other than yourself. Also I had some 2CB, 2CE, TC..., etc., as a kid. I was swallowing it, until my friend told me to snort it. That was, to this day, the most painful thing I have ever snorted by far. My friend said "it feels like the devil took a shit on ur face" and he was right. It burned like complete hell until the pain faced into numbness and then you were gone. I have since learned that shit is terrible to ingest nasally and can cause damage. I had some wild nights as a 16y/o tho . Lol
No good. You open yourself up to demonic attacks. There is no miracle drug to fix your problems.
No good. You open yourself up to demonic attacks. There is no miracle drug to fix your problems.
From? And is there ever a way or time to use them?
From? And is there ever a way or time to use them?
I'm not sure what you mean by from, but if you're asking for a source of this info, I have first hand experience. The reason you hear trip stories about people seeing little people, trolls, etc is because they are playing with fire. Those are usually demons they are seeing. It's very dangerous because you open up doors to demonic influence. Nothing good ever comes form it. Especially when your intention is to communicate with the spiritual realm. You are summoning the devil. I believe this is why so many pagans throughout the ages had such evil pagan practices like infanticide, cannibalism, etc. They were worshipping demons and the demons influenced them to do these evil acts.
I can't see any healthy reason to use hallucinogenic mushrooms. I've never met anyone being cured from long term depression regardless of what they take. So that rules out mushrooms. Anyone familiar with the effects of weed or hallucinogens understands it is very bad for people with anxiety problems. Psychedelic induce mental illness with people who are predisposed to mental illness. Those that are already mentally ill and take psychedelics are much more likely to cause greater harm to their mental health. I'm not a doctor, but I speak from experience and from seeing other people go down that path. I know someone that became bipolar because of it and they can't live a normal life anymore. They are basically crazy. In and out of hospitals. This how some people end up homeless. They lose their mind. It's like why scramble your brain? Isn't it already scrambled enough with bull crap? It just causes causes more problems in life.
True wisdom comes from God. Not some drug. In order to get that wisdom you must pray for it and be in a state of grace by avoiding sin and receiving the sacraments.
I'm not sure what you mean by from, but if you're asking for a source of this info, I have first hand experience. The reason you hear trip stories about people seeing little people, trolls, etc is because they are playing with fire. Those are usually demons they are seeing. It's very dangerous because you open up doors to demonic influence. Nothing good ever comes form it. Especially when your intention is to communicate with the spiritual realm. You are summoning the devil. I believe this is why so many pagans throughout the ages had such evil pagan practices like infanticide, cannibalism, etc. They were worshipping demons and the demons influenced them to do these evil acts.
I can't see any healthy reason to use hallucinogenic mushrooms. I've never met anyone being cured from long term depression regardless of what they take. So that rules out mushrooms. Anyone familiar with the effects of weed or hallucinogens understands it is very bad for people with anxiety problems. Psychedelic induce mental illness with people who are predisposed to mental illness. Those that are already mentally ill and take psychedelics are much more likely to cause greater harm to their mental health. I'm not a doctor, but I speak from experience and from seeing other people go down that path. I know someone that became bipolar because of it and they can't live a normal life anymore. They are basically crazy. In and out of hospitals. This how some people end up homeless. They lose their mind. It's like why scramble your brain? Isn't it already scrambled enough with bull crap? It just causes causes more problems in life.
True wisdom comes from God. Not some drug. In order to get that wisdom you must pray for it and be in a state of grace by avoiding sin and receiving the sacraments.
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