What value created?
I work for a company, and they pay me my wages because it's the value I supply to them. But without them there would be no company and my labor would have 0 value. THEY created the company. THEY purchased the land. THEY got all the permits. THEY hired the construction company. THEY had the facility built. THEY brought in the equipment. THEY pay the utilities, taxes, and upkeep. THEY handle the admin and financials.
All I do is show up 8 hours a day. Why the fuck should I own the "means of production" when they put in so much work and I did not? I'm not being exploited, without them I would have 0 income.
Wake up? You seem to be the one living in a fucking fairy tale dream world fantasy.
Do you know why the few people who own the means of production at my company own those means? Because they created, funded, planned, and did all the effort to establish those means.
You don't get to demand the entire loaf of bread just because you sat at the table when someone else grew the wheat, harvested it, milled it into flour, mixed it and baked it for you.
about that last part, i know many an entitled cunts who legimitely believe being in a relationship entitles them to all yuour money, time and resources
yeah, and where did those "leaders" get capital from?
you boomers love circles.
you ever try to farm?
we are being squeezed. the msrkets are all controlled.
you're literally doing exactly what led us to here, you go to your stupid 9to5, you go home, you get drunk and go to sleep.
most americans deserve this. they voted for it.
yeah, and where did those "leaders" get capital from?
From capital investors who decided to take a risk with a chance at a return or a chance for a loss
you ever try to farm?
I grew up on a farm. Which is why I know the ability to do nothing all week and make 70k a year is infinitely more desirable than busting my ass farming all year and hoping a flood or cold spell doesn't wipe me out.
Again, if starting a company is so fucking easy and effortless, why do none of you edgelord tweens go do it then?
because it isn't easy, and regulations serve to let only thosewith inherited wealth build a company that has potential to grow?
why do you think we are here?
corporations are their own class now.
these fuckers all conspire with eachother to kill small business.
you are GLOWING dude.
Nice reply
and it is funny hoe you just described your job as socialism
you literally don't do shit and get paid.
so how are you arguing?
damn you are dumb.
all you boomers expect all this pay for shitting out excel sheets
fuckers like you are worse than jews.
the argument for socialism isnt that you get 1% of the profits in a company consisting of 100 people. the argument is that some kike who does NOT even work for the company cant "own" %99.999 of the company. just because some kike goes and borrows your tax dollars to do a high risk investment in the company when its starting out while bringing nothing to the table with regards to innovation doesn't mean he gets a right to that company's profits forever.
capitalism = kiketalism
>high risk investment
I get your sentiment, but you seem to be missing what the term risk means.
i know what high risk means, and a good hedge fund manager knows ever better than i do. still doesnt mean that investment group should get infinite profits from an idea/company that they had almost nothing to do with. try not to put so much emphasis on money. kikes do that and theyre fuckin miserable
Because without you no money is "made"
How do you devalue yourself so easily,wage slave?
Because without you no money is "made"
The company existed 120 years before I was even born. They seem to be pretty good at making money without me
Your argument has merit, but his does too. The magic word is "negotiation," which two parties engage in to determine which rights and responsibilities they have when they enter into a contract. Owning the means of production and working to produce are mutually beneficial, so there should be a balance. An employer should have reasonable control over his property, and his employees should be reasonably reimbursed for their service.
As an employee you can't just see yourself as an individual. You're also part of a workforce, which goes back 120 years (in your case). The company wouldn't be very good at making money without that workforce. Both you and the company are part of society, the smalles unit of which, the family, is at the start of that production chain producing able workers. That company owes your parents, and by extension, owes society. BIG TIME!
So finally, parttaking in society comes with rights and duties, and nobody ideally is a slave, and just as ideally, nobody has complete control of the means of production without taking on a responsibility for those that produce.
EDIT: Scrap that part about the other guy having a point. He's an idiot.
The value you create through "work" it is stolen from you.
No it isn't. I am compensated via a paycheck.
The only thing stolen here are your brain cells.
If I paint a portrait of someone and sell it to them for 50 dollars - was the painting stolen? Was my labor stolen? No, it was exchanged to an agreed upon amount of capital. This is an exchange, not theft. Unless you are a literal slave, no one is "stealing" your labor.
If you are stupid enough to agree to 7.25 an hour flipping burgers - you arent being exploited, you're just dumb. You can start your own burger place any time you want. Go buy the land and build the restaurant and be your own boss then. Literally nothing is stopping you.
Partially compensated. You made them way more eye than you are paid, and you accept that.
Troll gonna troll. Must be nice to get paid thanks to the fruits of capitalism to bash capitalism. Do go on and tell me how Bernie can still win.
Nope, you spend your time and labor in exchange for a share of the employer's profits, the amount of which is subject to negotiation. A clever legal framework designed by forward-thinking leaders will ensure that the balance doesn't tip too far towards one side.
You sound like a cuck. Shouldn't you get the full value of what you produce
You made the profits. Why shouldn't you get them?
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