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Apparently this applies to the remote start option you PAID FOR when you bought the car but to use it you have to cough up $8 a month. Personally I have never trusted remote start since the simple encryption can be defeated and your car stolen. Now they are putting out an app so you can start your car from your phone. Again, bad idea for those whom have a security mindset.

What's wrong with the key? All my cars use old fashioned keys.

Apparently this applies to the remote start option you PAID FOR when you bought the car but to use it you have to cough up $8 a month. Personally I have never trusted remote start since the simple encryption can be defeated and your car stolen. Now they are putting out an app so you can start your car from your phone. Again, bad idea for those whom have a security mindset. What's wrong with the key? All my cars use old fashioned keys.

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The connected services allows location, windows up/down, climate control, engine start/stop, all from your phone.

That's fine. But how does it allow said control? If it's always-on IoT stuff, which requires servers and bandwidth, sure. If it's BT-connectivity or something like that, then that's literally what's called an "anti-feature" and you're being charged for things that your car can do, regardless. That's some ol' bullshit.

As well as tire pressure, fuel level, and other vehicle data to your phone

If the sensors are installed on my car, and I'm locked-out of using them unless I pay you a monthly subscription fee: you can go fuck yourself.

However, I don't care enough to look in to this. I'll re-evaluate my stance if I'm ever in the market for a new Toyota.

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It is connectivity from anywhere you can access the internet. It is not bluetooth.

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As long as I have full-access to everything they put on the car, without having to pay for said service, then whatever. But that means there'd better be a screen on the dashboard-tablet to access every single sensor/control that they install, on said car, that they charge a premium to access otherwise. Like, I'd better have admin or API access to the port which accepts remote commands.

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You're starting to get in to "right to repair" type stuff. John Deere is testing the limits right now and on the way to the Supreme Court. They really mistreat their tractor customers.