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Not only is there an inflation wave thanks to Biden, but a lot of companies are trying to hire super senior developers, but wanting to pay them junior level salaries. I just got done interviewing with a company, and they were trying to pay 50$/hr for a senior/lead developer position. However, they waited until AFTER the interview to try and do a switch and bait on the salary. Scumbags all around

Not only is there an inflation wave thanks to Biden, but a lot of companies are trying to hire super senior developers, but wanting to pay them junior level salaries. I just got done interviewing with a company, and they were trying to pay 50$/hr for a senior/lead developer position. However, they waited until AFTER the interview to try and do a switch and bait on the salary. Scumbags all around

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[–] • 10 pts

Weird it's hourly and not salary.

[–] • 7 pts

Contract work is common in tech, and it's paid hourly. Lots of companies don't want huge software teams for decades. They want 2-3 years for something specific, then they outsource afterwards. Use the good design to start, and code monkeys to bust out the chicken wire and duct tape to keep shit running.

$50/hr contract is 3-4 years experience max. Senior should be closer to $70-$80/hr, though I'm not 100% sure about trends for the past 12 months.

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They pitched him to a client company that was looking for that role at an unreasonable rate hoping once the company talked with him and liked him they would be flexible on the rate, they weren’t. Now tech pimp had no choice but to come back to OP hoping he might take lower rate. At that rate pretty much only contract roles are hourly

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In tech there is no such thing as contracting and full time. If they run out of coding work, you’re let go either way. If they still have more, they keep you.

If any company seriously lets a good coder go just because their contract ran out they’re retarded and you wouldn’t want to work there anyways.

[–] • 5 pts

why is that weird? Contracting and slave labor is all the rage these days

[–] • 5 pts

They could have a salary with no overtime pay and just keep piling on work until you're there 60 hours a week.

[–] • 2 pts

Yeah, that's how it normally goes for hrs but $50/hr may be good in Buffalo, but in San Jose that's not even close.

[–] • 0 pt

they do that already with Cap 40 as contractors

[–] [deleted] • 4 pts

Why hire a salary employee when you can hire a 1099 employee under contract and not have to pay benefits?

[–] • 0 pt

Because good contractors are hard to come by, and aren't cheap to hire on an hourly basis.

[–] • 0 pt

Is this to avoid payroll tax?

[–] • 2 pts

Anyone paid hourly is a consultant, not an employee.

[–] • 4 pts (edited )

I had a company that wanted to interview me. But they wanted a zoom interview, even though they were a local company. I told them I don't have zoom and I'm not interested in downloading it either. And said before we get ahead of ourselves, what does your company pay? (painter position) She said $12/hr

I laughed really hard into the phone and said Y'all won't get a professional painter at 12 an hour! That's only gonna get you a painters helper.

[–] • 3 pts

Yeah, for an interesting take on this interview. They were interviewing for a softwatre developer who could do Desktop, Assembly, Memory Profiling, shared piping, Web APIs, AND lead projects and initiatives. Maximum rate they could afford, around 58$/hr

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Y'all won't get a professional painter at 12 an hour!

Right, they won't get professional painters- they'll get laborers. They'll do a lousy job.

You get what you pay for. Interestingly, the plandemic hoax has sort of turned the tables when it comes to the employee-employer power dynamic. Right now, employees have more power than they've ever had before, at least in my recent memory (though I am rather young). Two years ago, looking for a job was all about what the worker had to offer.

Now, it's the other way around. What does the company have to offer me? I know what I do, I know I'm dedicated and self-motivated and absolutely earn every penny I make. So I demand to be paid as such. And with good workers in short supply right now... it's up to the company on whether they want to bring in a bunch of temps for low wages, or if they want to find one guy that can do all of those jobs... if you pay him for it.

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I say this as someone who knows people in tech recruiting. It's important to understand what is really going on here.

100% what you experienced was them building justification for giving that position to an H1-B. To be allowed to use H1-B they have to first demonstrate that they were unable to fill the position using domestic talent. So they do a round of interviews with bullshit requirements and bullshit comp to ensure they will find no domestic candidates.

If you want to fight back against this classwar-on-the-DL I'd recommend taking the job and then immediately quitting. Make it as expensive as possible for them.

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That's when you say nothing more, cut your losses and get up and walk out. Besides, if you can do lead dev work, there's all kinds of freelance work that can be done. Or, at least, positions you can take with much more freedoms.

I find it increasingly odd that some of you guys are rather smart, but still think you need to work for someone else. I have a feeling what's really going on is you're living in an overpriced area and you won't just move.

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They figure most people are in debt and need the job. Most companies want people that are in debt because that means they need the job more than the company needs that individual.

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Hence the 4 year degree for entry level jobs.

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Always important to do your research on a prospective company before investing your time interviewing with them. Look at their board, ceo and tech leads. What is the company's press? Good senior/leads are what give tech company's their competitive edge.

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There are so many predatory companies out there. Honestly, keep a list of the idiots you've inteviewed with. Make sure your professional peers know to stay away from them

There is one employer near me who has employed 5 of my current/past co-workers. The stories I heard about them was awful.

A few years ago I was job hunting, got an interesting inquiry by an out of state recruiter who didn't say the name of the company. The company didn't reveal who they were until halfway through the 1st phone interview! When I told them that I wasn't interested in working for them, they got upset and started blowing up my phone. At one point a CFO from some other state called me on a friday night at 8 pm to try to bully me into accepting an in-person interview. Seriously insane!

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They are inflation shy and so too are their customers, so they feel like they have to play tricks to survive the rising costs. They have the balls to try to gyp new hires but not the balls to bother asking their customers pay a higher price.

Cowards often try to pass the shit they can't handle down hill.