"This is a interesting concept. First you destroy their individual European identity by declaring them “white”. To be white means nothing. There is no history of whiteness. It is a made up term with no historical precedent."
This is just wrong, Whiteness was recognized as far back as the ancient era, where people noticed the different levels of similarities between the various peoples they encountered and themselves, despite patriotic posturing, it was recognized that the people who would be fellow Whites were of the same blood, and expected more from them, while people who were of other races were seen as of a different blood, and less of a covenant was made with them as a result.
The idea that people did not see the obvious phenotypic traits of others and the various degrees of removal from themselves, including the verying levels of compatibility they have between their peoples in society, is preposterous.
It get's worse, the claim that "to be white means nothing" or that accepting nationalism on a racially white level somehow removes the importance or existence of national or ethnic identity within that race, is also absolutely false, being White has a lot of meaning to it.
For one, it means a shared legacy of persecution, the fact that they all share the same enemies, and the same threats, and the same issues, and the same treatment all due to their overarching racial category. That alone is more than enough to band together to act on a unified racial level, at least until these things are dealt with. To divide ourselves up is to make it easier to conquer us, our common enemy refers to face us when there is no one to back us up, to pick us off individually, rather than fight us as a group.
Second, there are certain traits that set Whites apart from other races, which can be preserved best by acknowledging the bond that it can produce between us as a unique people. The most superficial of these, is the capacity for inheriting blue or green eyes, and blonde or red hair.
Third, we get strength in numbers, and while we as a race are exceptional, we are up against the whole rest of the world, we need to work together if we have a hope of succeeding in fighting for our survival.
Fourth, lots of us belong to multiple groups, I myself have various heritages: Ulster (Irish / Scottish Migrant), Acadian (Basque French / Mountain Amerindian), German / English, and Dutch / Dane (with some traces of Finn / Sami on my grandad's side, and some Italian / Greek on my grandmom's side). Yes, my descent is of Appalachian-Manitoban-Canadian stock, hence the mix of various groups you'd find in the region, plus some later migrants to the areas (like New York State, in from the opposite side of the Niagras). A lot of us are a hodgepodge of various white groups (my only non-white ancestry is that part amerindian from the Acadian ancestry, and part asian from the Sami ancestry, but I definitely don't look it, I got dirty blonde hair that turns bright blonde in the spring/summer, and blue eyes that you'd find in an advertisement, my skin is pale and tans easy, and my sister has freckles on her facial skin, especially the cheeks)
I don’t necessarily disagree with anything you said.
The fellow whose ideas I was referring to was specifically talking about how in America up until about the 1950s most white people living in urban areas did not identify as white. Rather they identified with the ethnicity of the neighborhood they lived in. There was not a white neighborhood in Chicago for example. There was a Lithuanian neighborhood and Irish neighborhood and Italian neighborhood etc. etc.
They didn’t consider themselves white until blacks were moved up to the northern cities to work in the factories during World WarII.
Each of those people identified as white.
When on a multiracial society, people identify by race, when in a monoracial society, by ethnicity or national origin, when in a monoethnic society, by family line and ancestry.
Just because you come from a different Scottish family doesn't make you not Scottish, and just because you come from a different white ethnicity doesn't make you not white.
Its groups and subgroups. "and", not "or".
Is this animal a tiger or a feline? Its both, a tiger is a subset of feline
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