good point

if someone is quite up against Christianity (Jesus Crist is different than the institution of the catholic church)

asking about the talmud is relevant

I've got church people totally beat down on defending the Jews, today we were talking about the ascension and and the descension... preacher man got fussy about the idea of him descending but the cop spouts off a few of the other scriptural references to it then I lean in with the whole fan fiction story in the Talmud with him being placed in a cauldron of feces or whatever. They don't even blink an eye anymore let alone try to defend the Talmudists. I think I've finally broken them on that whole deal while leaving exceptions for the few non-Talmudic Jewish groups scattered across the globe.