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The answer to the unknown has always been, its God.
How did God get created?
And whatever the old books are, they don't know what they claim to know about God.
However the universe came to exist, there was an uncaused first cause.
To me, that’s not even debatable. Because no matter how far back you go, what came before it? So again, to me, only something flat out impossible can explain another impossibility.
The idea of a deity or a God makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than the idea that every natural law, everything known to science, went out the window, just for a tiny moment, at the very beginning of time. Universe bringing itself to life defies everything we know about the universe and science. Only something that can define the natural laws of the universe could’ve created the universe.
It is an unknown. You can't claim it to be known.
I’m not, and that’s the point.
No matter what caused it, it is unknown. Completely.
But whatever caused it, it wasn’t uncaused first cause.
And whatever caused the impossible beginning of our universe must be impossible. Because it’s impossible. It’s impossible that nothing could become some thing. You do understand that, right? Follow all the rules of science. The universe was caused by something impossible. So to me, what is more likely to explain something impossible? Something else that is also understood as impossible, like God, or an uncaused first cause? I think so. Because the other exclamation is something explained by all of the known rules of science, which were absolutely broken by the beginning of the universe.
Even back when I was an atheist I still understood that for the universe to blink its self into existence was impossible. So the explanation must also be impossible. The only thing I could’ve thought of at the time is being impossible was God.
Or, you can come up with another explanation aside from God that is also impossible. Go ahead, find one. That’s fine with me. I’m not gonna try to force my belief in God on you. But only something impossible can explain the impossible. And believe me, I threw all my years of study of science cannot find anything else that can explain the universe blinking itself into existence from absolutely nothing. From the time before even time existed? The universe just blinked into existence from a time before time existed? Yeah. Go ahead and explain that in some other way other than something impossible.
The only explanation is something impossible. God is impossible. Unless he exist, and even if he does, he still, in someways, and Christians would agree, impossible. Find a scientific explanation for the impossible happening. Go ahead. Go ahead and find explanation defies everything you know about science explaining how the universe blinked into existence on its own. Go ahead. Find it.
The current scientific model has us understanding that space and time are a single fabric. Neither existed prior to the big bang, so certainly if God is responsible for the big bang, he exists outside of time and space as we understand them. Trying to explain how God came to exist would be like trying to explain what a four-dimensional cube looks like. We can’t possibly fathom either idea, but for someone who exists outside of the limits of our perceivable dimensions it’s probably very simple to understand.
A person born blind can’t begin to imagine what the color blue looks like. A person born deaf could never have the slightest inkling of what a pentatonic scale sounds like. And a person born within the constraints of time and space could never possibly understand what the things beyond those constraints are like. But being born without the ability to understand does not possibly justify disbelief. Atheism takes a stance of certainty, and requires just as much faith in something you could never know as theism does; making atheists, at best, hypocrites.
A human saying “there is no god” is as absurd on its face as a blind person saying “there is no blue,” even though a blind person has just as much reason for the belief. They can dismiss everything anyone has ever told them about blue because their personal life experience does not confirm the existence of blue, nor does the experience of any of their blind friends. Certainly the personal experiences of the non-blind in which they think they experienced blue can be scientifically explained by the blind model of colors, so do you think a blind person would be justified in saying “blue doesn’t exist and everyone who thinks it does is a moron/gullible/has confirmation bias”?
What the books call god and describe, is not the omnipotent being that would be capable of creating the universe.
No one knows. And likely won’t know.
Many things that couldn’t be explained, god got the credit or blame. Later science figured it out.
Big Bang and our existence is still a challenge and unknown. You can’t just label every unknown as god.
Maybe some day things that break down with our current understanding of physics like black holes and the Big Bang will be understood better. Probably not in our lifetime.
What the books call god and describe, is not the omnipotent being that would be capable of creating the universe.
No one knows. And likely won’t know.
You made these two statements back to back, I hope you’re able to pick up on your own contradiction.
Any of the books could be describing true events, and you claim to know that they’re not true while claiming that no one can know what’s true.
As I said, hypocrites, at best.
Why, God created God of course, it makes perfect sense. He has always been around.
Wha? Maybe the universe has always been around? That doesn't make sense, EVERYTHING has a begin... waidaminute... tricky atheists, mah bible warned me not to talk to you guys for a reason!
bible warned me not to talk to you guys
Well no, it didn't. While I admit to seeing new things every time I read through it (somewhere between 5-8 times cover to cover at this point), I can state with some confidence that there is no such content in the Old or New Testament.
That said, you are actually on a solid path here, in the sense that you question what is it about a BEING ("God") that makes it more a more feasible answer than just "space and time always existed" (i.e. the universe). The impersonal, entropic universe cannot be responsible for the ordered complexity that we observe in nature (that is, within itself). We have strong evidence for an intelligent, benevolent creator.
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