Are you asking me, or asking in general?
enforcing rules
Rules are gay and are made to be broken. If not then there would be no need for them.
Isn't there shame and pride involved in enforcing rules about nudity?
You don't need rules if you have morals. If you need rules then you lack morals.
Or isn't it an achievement to woo a woman?
To who? I didn't woo my wife. We met, talked, and continue to do so today. If you have to use tricks (wooing) then there is a problem.
There are propably people who only have sex with a beautiful woman because it makes them feel pride. Not because they like her.
Again that has nothing to do with a social norm. I think you may just be describing yourself or someone you know. That's shit teenagers do, not grown men that are a part of and contribute to society.
Sexuality has no place in public (social) discourse. All the talk about sex and sexuality in public is what got us all these faggots and queers walking around in the first place. Jokes are one thing, but actively talking about sex or your sexuality in public is just low class immoral bullshit.
You don't need rules if you have morals. If you need rules then you lack morals.
Can you think of a single group that has more than a handful of people where everyone agrees on the same morals?
You may notice, that even on this website people are constantly arguing and bickering over what is moral. What is the correct philosophy. The right way to govern society.
I think you may just be describing yourself or someone you know. That's shit teenagers do, not grown men that are a part of and contribute to society.
That sounds almost as if you're trying to shame me. How interesting, given that pride and shame are the essential foundation of forming social norms. And how hypocritical for you trying to make this argument personal.
Maybe you are living on mars, but here on earth, there are plenty of men who contributed to society much more than both of us combined, and own a trophy wife.
Can you think of a single group that has more than a handful of people where everyone agrees on the same morals?
Do not kill people. Do not rape people. Do not steal from people.
And by people I mean all men, women, and children.
Those are very basic morals that I would say covers a very large group. There are many more morals a person can have, but I think most all people can agree on those.
That sounds almost as if you're trying to shame me. How interesting, given that pride and shame are the essential foundation of forming social norms. And how hypocritical for you trying to make this argument personal.
No it didn't. You decided to take it personally yourself. You came up with the situation, which was rather specific. Not me. And then you felt as though you were being shamed by me saying I thought you might be describing yourself or someone you know. "If the shoe fits..."
Maybe you are living on mars
What's this? Are you shaming me based on my planet of origin? :'(
there are plenty of men who contributed to society much more than both of us combined, and own a trophy wife.
No they haven't. You clearly have a different view of society than I do.
I'm not going to walk on egg shells just to have a conversation with you. If you think I was shaming you with a thought, then I'm no longer interested in this line of questioning. Because clearly you are not ready for honest answers. Have a good rest of your day.
Those are very basic morals that I would say covers a very large group. There are many more morals a person can have, but I think most all people can agree on those.
No, they fucking can't agree on it.
Maybe they can agree that rape is bad, but they can't agree on what is rape.
They can't agree on age of consent. They can't agree if it's rape if one is more drunk than the other or if both are drunk. They can't agree on what the minimal IQ requirement is to be able to give consent. People can argue a lot over if someone with down-syndrom can give consent and to what extend.
People never agree on morals, not even the basics.
And we are not talking about basics, we are talking about nudity, shame, what you can talk about in public, what is degenerate and whatnot.
You came up with the situation, which was rather specific.
Have you ever heard of "pick-up artists"?
It's not specific or personal if an entire community exists about, and people pay money to get coached, on how to trick women into bed.
And that's just one infamous example. Many men feel pride about how many women or what kind of women they fucked. If that's completly foreign to you, or you wish to pretend this does not happen, maybe that says something really fucked up about you.
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