>>When you say people can't afford to stop working you're actually being deceitful. That's your interpretation, if you read again my message with that in mind maybe you'll see that I'm not just referring to the practical part of it... Hence the welfare part... >>People would rather be slaves that give up. Materialism Oh the social status... Think of all that "street cred" going to shit... 80% of medics embraced a medical career not for humanitarian reasons but for the social status and the paycheck, same could be said about lawyers >>Even the poorest of us buys a shit load of wants. Material shit. Coffee to tats to cellphones to excess clothes. People grind away to enslave themselves and buy crap they don't need. Millions of homeless actually prove you can live without bugger all and no work. And that is an extreme level of poverty. Yes and the vast majority can't afford it, not everybody can afford to be a diogenes. Whatever you do in life is because you can. Many would rather choose death over becoming what's commonly called a bum