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I briefly skimmed over your conversations with yesterday. From most of your points then, and now, it seems like you have a predisposition to the idea that modern levels of individualism are genetic among Whites. You especially highlight how one in a relationship can be "abused" by someone with even a five-year leg-up on life experience. This might be true in nuclear family individualism, but not in a multigenerational household. While some values, like monogamy, are genetically written into the millennia of White history, (((Enlightenment))) individualism has only been around for a few centuries, nuclear family individualism for about a century. We can return to multigenerational households, where the patriarchs will be making, as they did for millennia of White history, the consequential life decisions, not the horny teenager or person with marginally more life experience.
>Courtship
I'm glad you brought up this White tradition. While a woman's value can be summarized by how she's raised children so far in the multigenerational household as well as her chastity, men must be strong for their families and able to lead them. Thus, courtship is indeed an important White tradition. A testing period to ensure that the man can (for example) bench 20 reps of 120% his body weight, relate the history of his unique and timeless family line, and prove he can provide by contributing to the family business is an important period, and this process weeds out the old sickly rent-seeking geezers who would otherwise abuse the White maiden. Courtship is vital to arranged marriage between White families. High value women should even require the modern masculine interpretation of slaying a dragon to court the maiden in monogamous marriage. This is patriarchy.
> faroese men just decided to fuck gooks
>just decided
You can tell men to man up all you want, but uncontrolled hypergamy does not bode well for humble men without degrees who lost enough of their traditional values to let women leave to university and get city jobs. Women, in general, do not seek out men with fewer degrees and less income for love marriage. The Faroese men didn't "just decide" to let women "price" themselves out of marriage in their homeland with their own hypergamy. Nuclear families have subverted the Faroe Islands as much as they have other White nations. It should sadden all whites that some would have hapa kids instead of banning their women from colleges, but understanding what happened and why it happened is important for other White nations. If the Faroe Islands recover from this, they will truly be an example for the rest.
>Look at these ages
Those look good and healthy enough to produce many healthy White children. Some fathers may decide on a case-by-case basis that a few years younger than that is when his daughter is ready for marriage and motherhood, to a suitable suitor who can slay that dragon.
You especially highlight how one in a relationship can be "abused" by someone with even a five-year leg-up on life experience. This might be true in nuclear family individualism, but not in a multigenerational household.
What a joke. Who are the young female prospective brood mare and her husband going to live with? Lemme guess... his family. Have you ever heard of a mother in law? Ive had asian friends from more trad cultures, and the wife has to live with the husband’s parents. And she gets treated like shit. This pattern pops up in muslim, hindu, and east asian cultures so its not a one off.
Teenage girls are not emotionally prepared to be impregnated and bullied by an obnoxious cruel mother in law, which is what happens a lot of the time. If you want a patrilineal patriarchy I assume these girls will be living with the husband’s fam.
Allow girls to gain the maturity that comes with a few extra years of experience before they make an informed choice to live with a man and his family. You are being naive about the parental generation always being selfless and wanting whats best for young people.
While a woman's value can be summarized by how she's raised children so far in the multigenerational household as well as her chastity,
Does your net worth summarize you? I know its hard to imagine but there’s a human being under the tits. We are not a fuck toy or a brood mare any more than you are a meal ticket, or a dumb draft animal. Do you like being valued thusly? Arent you the one bitching about the mercenary aspects of hypergamy?
blah blah dragons
I will take the smart guy everytime.
but uncontrolled hypergamy does not bode well for humble men without degrees who lost enough of their traditional values to let women leave to university and get city jobs.
You just described to me a hypergamy scenario. Men must prove their worth— strength, work ethic, family lineage, military prowess and the woman is choosey about who she mates with. That is hypergamy.
faroese men just decided to fuck gooks
just decided
I’m sure they had their reasons. But women don’t have to take your deal either if they dont like it. I am pretty anti feminist but I would not take your deal. Why would women just agree to have the status of a child? Women won’t take your deal and they have other options. You are going to have to make a better offer. Consider me a representative for femalekind. I am not going to recommend this deal to my client.
I don’t agree with the moral atmosphere of today’s universities but I absolutely am in favor of training men and women to their highest intellectual capacities. Women’s primary role is always going to be child rearing but refusing to educate hi IQ women is just a tactic of cowards that are afraid of women reaching their full potential. That is just pig ignorant.
I am smarter than 90% of the men I meet. At least. It’s just a statement of fact. You think physics or technology or calculus or medical expertise is only useful if you earn a paycheck? You think knowledge of history and literature wouldnt be useful for a woman who is responsible for the welfare of her family?
It sounds like you want to go back to Little House on the Prairie. So would I. Thats never going to happen. We are in an arms race with the chinks and the jews. We are not currently winning. It is a genetic arms race. You want to select for passive bimbos. Thats what the muzzies do. But unfortunately their sons are equally stupid.
Do you want the genetic gold ? Do you want a son with a 130 IQ? Well you are going to have to find a broad with a 130 IQ and get her to marry you.
You are forbidden to study book learnins!
Ya think thats gonna win her?
Some fathers may decide on a case-by-case basis that a few years younger than that
Every single time fathers are put in this position it leads to corruption. Every single time. Every place where this is practiced with regularity daughters become pawns. It is the muzzification of whites. It will predictably happen because of how evolution works. If males can advance their wealth by trading their young daughters to wealthy men, they will. And it will become ingrained in the culture and genetics.
>Allow girls to gain the maturity that comes with a few extra years of experience before they make an informed choice to live with a man and his family.
Let's think about a world like this. In this world, women can get as many degrees, ride as many cocks, and post as many nudes to Onlyfans as they want before being "ready" to settle down and have kids. Likewise, in this world men would be able to play video games, watch hours of porn every day, and fuck whores until he is "ready" to settle down. This model does not infringe on either party's consent to marriage, nor does it bring parents or grandparents into the conversation. True liberation.
Now I ask: how is this different from the collapsing society we have now? You are arguing for the present situation and set of circumstances that have led to most children being born out of wedlock, 70% of men 20-34 being unmarried, and most marriages ending in divorce. Is the liberty worth it?
>You just described to me a hypergamy scenario
Fathers choosing a husband have far different criteria, like strength and leadership, compared to women making the decision. The quality of rat race bugman job and sportscar and weed aren't traditional White values, but they're hypergamous, and you're lying to yourself if you think that young women don't select mates primarily based on these today. Not controlling this hypergamy is why we have the problems in my second paragraph. Only motherhood and patriarchy can fix women. Nothing else can.
> women don’t have to take your deal either if they dont like it
> Women won’t take your deal and they have other options. You are going to have to make a better offer. Consider me a representative for femalekind. I am not going to recommend this deal to my client.
Hence the problems in my second paragraph. The problem goes both ways. Men, on the one hand, see the Nintendo Switch and Pornhub endorphin rush, and, on the other hand, see many of their friends in unhappy marriages or divorced and paying hefty child support without access to the kids. Both sides are actively opting out. But hey, maybe you're right, and all they need to do is "find themselves" before marriage, to reach apotheosis through the endorphin rushes. Or, maybe I'm right and the only solution is a return to our roots with multigenerational households and arranged marriage (with courtship). We're on course for your plan, so time will tell.
> If males can advance their wealth by trading their young daughters to wealthy men, they will. And it will become ingrained in the culture and genetics.
If the man can swim the English Channel, recite his family's unique and timeless history, and support a man's daughter, he is very able to be a father and husband. The greasy sickly geezers cannot. This is courtship. This is patriarchy. Men proving themselves as strong leaders (as judged by fathers, not female hypergamy) to earn the best wife he can. Women proving themselves as good prospective mothers and wives to earn the best husband she can. Whites have used this method for millennia. After a few centuries of your method, we have modern men and modern woman. Only motherhood, fatherhood, and patriarchy can fix this. But as I said, time will tell. We're on course for your plan.
blah blah, they’ll ride the cock .....Now I ask: how is this different from the collapsing society we have now?
How is postponing marriage till early and mid twenties different from the cited data, going back as far as the 1600s, confirming that in northwest europeans and early anglo americans did not get married until 22 or 23 for F and 26 to 28 for M. But no onlyfans!
Did women from the Diocese of Canturbury in the early 1600s have onlyfan accounts? And ride the cock mobile while finding themselves? DID THEY?
STRAWMAN.
Nowhere do I encourage sexual odysseys or endorphin chasing or finding oneself.
I have established that NW europeans’ typical age of marriage has been early to mid twenties for a LONG time and there for later marriage is neither necessary nor (in particular) sufficient for Onlyfan whores and fapping incels.
Furthermore I have established that aristocratic NW Europeans who were the most likely to arrange marriages for their daughters were also the most likely to marry off their daughter at early ages like 13, AND they were the matches most likely to be hypergamous whereas middle and lower class women were relatively free to make love matches.
Have you ever read Jane Austen? All those books were about women being forced to marry hypergamously by their decent white christian FAMILIES. For CASH.
I say Elizabeth, the man has 20,000£ a year, how can you refuse? Think of th family?
And trying to sort out the scumbags and liars from the Mr Darcy’s. Many of the matches were very unhappy because middle and upper class english girls were forced to marry for money and not love.
By. Their. Families.
You seem to admit that hypergamy is the norm, but that the VALUES that women have, the TRAITS they are selecting for are what you object to. Easy jewish cash, which is jumping in bed with the enemy that is redistributing the WEALTH that white men create. I get it. But you aren’t going to solve the problem by putting fathers (males) solely in charge of matchmaking. Fathers are just as corruptible by cold hard cash as their daughters.
Maybe moreso. Women will actually be more invested in seeking out pleasing character traits and physical health because they have to fuck the guy. Men set their 13 year old daughters up with wealthy 30 year men or even 50 year old men because they dont have to live with the guy. They arent the ones getting fucked.
You just keep repeating over and over patriarchy and arranged marriage and extended families, like these things are just magic and that white males will just act virtuously in spite of evolutionary pressures. Its babyish. Muzzies have all those things. Teen marriage, arranged marriage, extended families. And yet they are corrupt and violent and not particularly intelligent, they treat their women like children or property. They treat their daughters like bargaining chips. They are totally cool with fucking 9year olds. It is a corrupt patriarchy. A low trust society. Did I mention corrupt.
Patriarchy is not magic. Men are not immune to making selfish decisions. Women are 50% of the white race. They have a 50% stake in its success whether they realize it or not.
Extreme patriarchies are corrupt. Monogamist like europeans have the most egalitarian status between men and women. European women have MORE power than women do elswhere because of monogamy. Women choose their own mates later in life and live a quality over quantity reproductive strategy. This is essentially european and K strategy.
This is a power sharing agreement that has been undermined in both directions.
Jews offered sexual license to MEN in the way of porn, pre marital sex and divorce— essential an appeal to males’ desire for a more R strategy polygamous system. R strategy makes more sense for males that females. Quantity over quality is a doable male strategy because of investment per fuck.
Then they offered a matrilineal strategy to wahmens in which paternity is not established and the female is supported by her own family (uncle sam). This is more hunter gatherer.
Only some females are making polygamous matches with wealthy men, all of mel gibsons wives, all of donald trump’s wives. These are men that abandon monogamy, as many elites have always done, because they can.
Women are not the only bad actors here. The faroese men were essentially going with a muzzie strategy, buy cheap submissive females. Very brown strategy.
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