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Women cannot find genuine happiness without patriarchy and motherhood.

Well you arent in the position to be defining happiness for women since you clearly have never met one.

(((They))), being matriarchal,

They have been historically patriarchal and largely patrilineal in terms of inheritance. If youve had any contact with orthodox, you know the men are in charge.

Dating

They called it courting or wooing its been around forever. There was alway an age of consent /age of marriage. Since fucking rome and all throughout the middle ages up to the present. Fucking english commonlaw.

Politicians voted in by women are flooding White nations with the third world. This is not White culture.

Agree

We need to return to arranged marriage and multigenerational households. Nothing but patriarchy can fix this.

It depends on what you mean by patriarchy. Im skeptical of your proposal.

Not with fathers making the calls.

Fathers will make the calls that advance their own economic status. Everywhere men have ultimate say over who their daughters marry, 12 year old girls get traded as fuck toys and brood mares so the dad can have a new COW. Every single place where men are given this authority. Because it is a corrupting power. Like all power. And in these circumstances the brides are all very young. And the age disparities are large. Because daddy’s gonna get some bang for his buck.

All this trends toward a disproportionate amount of male power and increased hypergamy. Wealthy men will then hoard multiple young girls and poor men will have no females. Polygamy. Isnt it interesting that where you see the most forced marriages you see extremely young girls being traded for cash by their fathers, huge age disparity and POLYGAMY?

Unintended consequences of giving daddy too much authority. Males are just as corruptible as females. Evolution doesnt care. It dictates that individuals will tend to press their advantage when they can.

many men of the Faroe Islands have taken Thai wives and drastically changed the genetics of the Faroe Islands. The White women "lived life" and their hypergamy

So the men became race traitors and mudsharks? Because faroese women went to college? Good story. That will teach those stupid oil drilling whores. Their kids are going to have a fucking 90 iq. Why are men so cheap and easy? Hey we dont even know if those Thais are women. Faroes have gone down hill. XD

Fathers know when their daughters are mature enough to wed

Fathers know when they can get a good price for their 12 year olds. Europeans have been selected for monogamy and relative egalitarianism between the sexes. European women have historically had more power than any other female group relative to men. Maybe chinky people too. The further north you go the more monogamy you see. The more monogamy, the greater the power of females in the marriages. Faroese wahmens always had alot of power. There were increased options and increased sexual liscence for both sexes and faroese men just decided to fuck gooks.

Typical ages of marriage in england based on church records

https://files.catbox.moe/s8wan3.gif

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/transactions-of-the-royal-historical-society/article/age-at-marriage-in-england-from-the-late-seventeenth-to-the-nineteenth-century/F5641BCC2F37FC37DEED16EC2B7F594E

Class differences played a great role in when a couple could marry; the wealthier that a couple was, the likelier that they were to marry earlier. Noblewomen and gentlewomen married early, but they were a small minority;[24] a thousand marriage certificates issued by the Diocese of Canterbury between 1619 and 1660 show that only one bride was aged thirteen years, four were fifteen, twelve were sixteen, seventeen were seventeen, and the other 966 of the brides were aged nineteen years or older when they married for the first time. The church stipulated that both the bride and groom must be at least 21 years of age to marry without the consent of their families; the most common ages of marriage were 22 for women, 24 for men; the median ages were 22.8 for women and 25.5 for men; the average ages were 24 years for women and nearly 28 years for men. The youngest brides were nobility and gentry.[25]

-Peter Laslett https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajnal_line

Look at these ages

https://files.catbox.moe/bhm31v.jpeg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3002115/table/T1/?report=objectonly

> Women cannot find genuine happiness without patriarchy and motherhood. Well you arent in the position to be defining happiness for women since you clearly have never met one. > (((They))), being matriarchal, They have been historically patriarchal and largely patrilineal in terms of inheritance. If youve had any contact with orthodox, you know the men are in charge. >Dating They called it courting or wooing its been around forever. There was alway an age of consent /age of marriage. Since fucking rome and all throughout the middle ages up to the present. Fucking english commonlaw. >Politicians voted in by women are flooding White nations with the third world. This is not White culture. Agree >We need to return to arranged marriage and multigenerational households. Nothing but patriarchy can fix this. It depends on what you mean by patriarchy. Im skeptical of your proposal. >Not with fathers making the calls. Fathers will make the calls that advance their own economic status. Everywhere men have ultimate say over who their daughters marry, 12 year old girls get traded as fuck toys and brood mares so the dad can have a new COW. Every single place where men are given this authority. Because it is a corrupting power. Like all power. And in these circumstances the brides are all very young. And the age disparities are large. Because daddy’s gonna get some bang for his buck. All this trends toward a disproportionate amount of male power and *increased* hypergamy. Wealthy men will then hoard multiple young girls and poor men will have no females. Polygamy. Isnt it interesting that where you see the most forced marriages you see extremely young girls being traded for cash by their fathers, huge age disparity and POLYGAMY? Unintended consequences of giving daddy too much authority. Males are just as corruptible as females. Evolution doesnt care. It dictates that individuals will tend to press their advantage when they can. >many men of the Faroe Islands have taken Thai wives and drastically changed the genetics of the Faroe Islands. The White women "lived life" and their hypergamy So the men became race traitors and mudsharks? Because faroese women went to college? Good story. That will teach those stupid oil drilling whores. Their kids are going to have a fucking 90 iq. Why are men so cheap and easy? Hey we dont even know if those Thais are women. Faroes have gone down hill. XD > Fathers know when their daughters are mature enough to wed Fathers know when they can get a good price for their 12 year olds. Europeans have been selected for monogamy and relative egalitarianism between the sexes. European women have historically had more power than any other female group relative to men. Maybe chinky people too. The further north you go the more monogamy you see. The more monogamy, the greater the power of females in the marriages. Faroese wahmens always had alot of power. There were increased options and increased sexual liscence for both sexes and faroese men just decided to fuck gooks. Typical ages of marriage in england based on church records https://files.catbox.moe/s8wan3.gif https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/transactions-of-the-royal-historical-society/article/age-at-marriage-in-england-from-the-late-seventeenth-to-the-nineteenth-century/F5641BCC2F37FC37DEED16EC2B7F594E >Class differences played a great role in when a couple could marry; the wealthier that a couple was, the likelier that they were to marry earlier. Noblewomen and gentlewomen married early, but they were a small minority;[24] a thousand marriage certificates issued by the Diocese of Canterbury between 1619 and 1660 show that only one bride was aged thirteen years, four were fifteen, twelve were sixteen, seventeen were seventeen, and the other 966 of the brides were aged nineteen years or older when they married for the first time. The church stipulated that both the bride and groom must be at least 21 years of age to marry without the consent of their families; the most common ages of marriage were 22 for women, 24 for men; the median ages were 22.8 for women and 25.5 for men; the average ages were 24 years for women and nearly 28 years for men. The youngest brides were nobility and gentry.[25] -Peter Laslett https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hajnal_line Look at these ages https://files.catbox.moe/bhm31v.jpeg https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3002115/table/T1/?report=objectonly

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I briefly skimmed over your conversations with yesterday. From most of your points then, and now, it seems like you have a predisposition to the idea that modern levels of individualism are genetic among Whites. You especially highlight how one in a relationship can be "abused" by someone with even a five-year leg-up on life experience. This might be true in nuclear family individualism, but not in a multigenerational household. While some values, like monogamy, are genetically written into the millennia of White history, (((Enlightenment))) individualism has only been around for a few centuries, nuclear family individualism for about a century. We can return to multigenerational households, where the patriarchs will be making, as they did for millennia of White history, the consequential life decisions, not the horny teenager or person with marginally more life experience.

>Courtship

I'm glad you brought up this White tradition. While a woman's value can be summarized by how she's raised children so far in the multigenerational household as well as her chastity, men must be strong for their families and able to lead them. Thus, courtship is indeed an important White tradition. A testing period to ensure that the man can (for example) bench 20 reps of 120% his body weight, relate the history of his unique and timeless family line, and prove he can provide by contributing to the family business is an important period, and this process weeds out the old sickly rent-seeking geezers who would otherwise abuse the White maiden. Courtship is vital to arranged marriage between White families. High value women should even require the modern masculine interpretation of slaying a dragon to court the maiden in monogamous marriage. This is patriarchy.

> faroese men just decided to fuck gooks

>just decided

You can tell men to man up all you want, but uncontrolled hypergamy does not bode well for humble men without degrees who lost enough of their traditional values to let women leave to university and get city jobs. Women, in general, do not seek out men with fewer degrees and less income for love marriage. The Faroese men didn't "just decide" to let women "price" themselves out of marriage in their homeland with their own hypergamy. Nuclear families have subverted the Faroe Islands as much as they have other White nations. It should sadden all whites that some would have hapa kids instead of banning their women from colleges, but understanding what happened and why it happened is important for other White nations. If the Faroe Islands recover from this, they will truly be an example for the rest.

>Look at these ages

Those look good and healthy enough to produce many healthy White children. Some fathers may decide on a case-by-case basis that a few years younger than that is when his daughter is ready for marriage and motherhood, to a suitable suitor who can slay that dragon.

I briefly skimmed over your conversations with @Metanoid yesterday. From most of your points then, and now, it seems like you have a predisposition to the idea that modern levels of individualism are genetic among Whites. You especially highlight how one in a relationship can be "abused" by someone with even a five-year leg-up on life experience. This might be true in nuclear family individualism, but not in a multigenerational household. While some values, like monogamy, are genetically written into the millennia of White history, (((Enlightenment))) individualism has only been around for a few centuries, nuclear family individualism for about a century. We can return to multigenerational households, where the patriarchs will be making, as they did for millennia of White history, the consequential life decisions, not the horny teenager or person with marginally more life experience. >>Courtship I'm glad you brought up this White tradition. While a woman's value can be summarized by how she's raised children so far in the multigenerational household as well as her chastity, men must be strong for their families and able to lead them. Thus, courtship is indeed an important White tradition. A testing period to ensure that the man can (for example) bench 20 reps of 120% his body weight, relate the history of his unique and timeless family line, and prove he can provide by contributing to the family business is an important period, and this process weeds out the old sickly rent-seeking geezers who would otherwise abuse the White maiden. Courtship is vital to arranged marriage between White families. High value women should even require the modern masculine interpretation of slaying a dragon to court the maiden in monogamous marriage. This is patriarchy. >> faroese men just decided to fuck gooks >>just decided You can tell men to man up all you want, but uncontrolled hypergamy does not bode well for humble men without degrees who lost enough of their traditional values to let women leave to university and get city jobs. Women, in general, do not seek out men with fewer degrees and less income for love marriage. The Faroese men didn't "just decide" to let women "price" themselves out of marriage in their homeland with their own hypergamy. Nuclear families have subverted the Faroe Islands as much as they have other White nations. It should sadden all whites that some would have hapa kids instead of banning their women from colleges, but understanding what happened and why it happened is important for other White nations. If the Faroe Islands recover from this, they will truly be an example for the rest. >>Look at these ages Those look good and healthy enough to produce many healthy White children. Some fathers may decide on a case-by-case basis that a few years younger than that is when his daughter is ready for marriage and motherhood, to a suitable suitor who can slay that dragon.

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You especially highlight how one in a relationship can be "abused" by someone with even a five-year leg-up on life experience. This might be true in nuclear family individualism, but not in a multigenerational household.

What a joke. Who are the young female prospective brood mare and her husband going to live with? Lemme guess... his family. Have you ever heard of a mother in law? Ive had asian friends from more trad cultures, and the wife has to live with the husband’s parents. And she gets treated like shit. This pattern pops up in muslim, hindu, and east asian cultures so its not a one off.

Teenage girls are not emotionally prepared to be impregnated and bullied by an obnoxious cruel mother in law, which is what happens a lot of the time. If you want a patrilineal patriarchy I assume these girls will be living with the husband’s fam.

Allow girls to gain the maturity that comes with a few extra years of experience before they make an informed choice to live with a man and his family. You are being naive about the parental generation always being selfless and wanting whats best for young people.

While a woman's value can be summarized by how she's raised children so far in the multigenerational household as well as her chastity,

Does your net worth summarize you? I know its hard to imagine but there’s a human being under the tits. We are not a fuck toy or a brood mare any more than you are a meal ticket, or a dumb draft animal. Do you like being valued thusly? Arent you the one bitching about the mercenary aspects of hypergamy?

blah blah dragons

I will take the smart guy everytime.

but uncontrolled hypergamy does not bode well for humble men without degrees who lost enough of their traditional values to let women leave to university and get city jobs.

You just described to me a hypergamy scenario. Men must prove their worth— strength, work ethic, family lineage, military prowess and the woman is choosey about who she mates with. That is hypergamy.

faroese men just decided to fuck gooks

just decided

I’m sure they had their reasons. But women don’t have to take your deal either if they dont like it. I am pretty anti feminist but I would not take your deal. Why would women just agree to have the status of a child? Women won’t take your deal and they have other options. You are going to have to make a better offer. Consider me a representative for femalekind. I am not going to recommend this deal to my client.

I don’t agree with the moral atmosphere of today’s universities but I absolutely am in favor of training men and women to their highest intellectual capacities. Women’s primary role is always going to be child rearing but refusing to educate hi IQ women is just a tactic of cowards that are afraid of women reaching their full potential. That is just pig ignorant.

I am smarter than 90% of the men I meet. At least. It’s just a statement of fact. You think physics or technology or calculus or medical expertise is only useful if you earn a paycheck? You think knowledge of history and literature wouldnt be useful for a woman who is responsible for the welfare of her family?

It sounds like you want to go back to Little House on the Prairie. So would I. Thats never going to happen. We are in an arms race with the chinks and the jews. We are not currently winning. It is a genetic arms race. You want to select for passive bimbos. Thats what the muzzies do. But unfortunately their sons are equally stupid.

Do you want the genetic gold ? Do you want a son with a 130 IQ? Well you are going to have to find a broad with a 130 IQ and get her to marry you.

You are forbidden to study book learnins!

Ya think thats gonna win her?

Some fathers may decide on a case-by-case basis that a few years younger than that

Every single time fathers are put in this position it leads to corruption. Every single time. Every place where this is practiced with regularity daughters become pawns. It is the muzzification of whites. It will predictably happen because of how evolution works. If males can advance their wealth by trading their young daughters to wealthy men, they will. And it will become ingrained in the culture and genetics.

>You especially highlight how one in a relationship can be "abused" by someone with even a five-year leg-up on life experience. This might be true in nuclear family individualism, but not in a multigenerational household. What a joke. Who are the young female prospective brood mare and her husband going to live with? Lemme guess... *his* family. Have you ever heard of a mother in law? Ive had asian friends from more trad cultures, and the wife has to live with the husband’s parents. And she gets treated like shit. This pattern pops up in muslim, hindu, and east asian cultures so its not a one off. Teenage girls are not emotionally prepared to be impregnated and bullied by an obnoxious cruel mother in law, which is what happens a lot of the time. If you want a patrilineal patriarchy I assume these girls will be living with the husband’s fam. Allow girls to gain the maturity that comes with a few extra years of experience before they make an informed choice to live with a man and his family. You are being naive about the parental generation always being selfless and wanting whats best for young people. >While a woman's value can be summarized by how she's raised children so far in the multigenerational household as well as her chastity, Does your net worth summarize you? I know its hard to imagine but there’s a human being under the tits. We are not a fuck toy or a brood mare any more than you are a meal ticket, or a dumb draft animal. Do you like being valued thusly? Arent you the one bitching about the mercenary aspects of hypergamy? > blah blah dragons I will take the smart guy everytime. >but uncontrolled hypergamy does not bode well for humble men without degrees who lost enough of their traditional values to let women leave to university and get city jobs. You just described to me a hypergamy scenario. Men must prove their worth— strength, work ethic, family lineage, military prowess and the woman is choosey about who she mates with. That is hypergamy. > faroese men just decided to fuck gooks >just decided I’m sure they had their reasons. But women don’t have to take your deal either if they dont like it. I am pretty anti feminist but I would not take your deal. Why would women just agree to have the status of a child? Women won’t take your deal and they have other options. You are going to have to make a better offer. Consider me a representative for femalekind. I am not going to recommend this deal to my client. I don’t agree with the moral atmosphere of today’s universities but I absolutely am in favor of training men and women to their highest intellectual capacities. Women’s primary role is always going to be child rearing but refusing to educate hi IQ women is just a tactic of cowards that are afraid of women reaching their full potential. That is just pig ignorant. I am smarter than 90% of the men I meet. At least. It’s just a statement of fact. You think physics or technology or calculus or medical expertise is only useful if you earn a paycheck? You think knowledge of history and literature wouldnt be useful for a woman who is responsible for the welfare of her family? It sounds like you want to go back to Little House on the Prairie. So would I. Thats never going to happen. We are in an arms race with the chinks and the jews. We are not currently winning. It is a genetic arms race. *You* want to select for passive bimbos. Thats what the muzzies do. But unfortunately their sons are equally stupid. Do you want the genetic gold ? Do you want a son with a 130 IQ? Well you are going to have to find a broad with a 130 IQ and get her to marry you. > You are forbidden to study book learnins! Ya think thats gonna win her? > Some fathers may decide on a case-by-case basis that a few years younger than that Every single time fathers are put in this position it leads to corruption. Every single time. Every place where this is practiced with regularity daughters become pawns. It is the muzzification of whites. It will predictably happen because of how evolution works. If males can advance their wealth by trading their young daughters to wealthy men, they will. And it will become ingrained in the culture and genetics.

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>Allow girls to gain the maturity that comes with a few extra years of experience before they make an informed choice to live with a man and his family.

Let's think about a world like this. In this world, women can get as many degrees, ride as many cocks, and post as many nudes to Onlyfans as they want before being "ready" to settle down and have kids. Likewise, in this world men would be able to play video games, watch hours of porn every day, and fuck whores until he is "ready" to settle down. This model does not infringe on either party's consent to marriage, nor does it bring parents or grandparents into the conversation. True liberation.

Now I ask: how is this different from the collapsing society we have now? You are arguing for the present situation and set of circumstances that have led to most children being born out of wedlock, 70% of men 20-34 being unmarried, and most marriages ending in divorce. Is the liberty worth it?

>You just described to me a hypergamy scenario

Fathers choosing a husband have far different criteria, like strength and leadership, compared to women making the decision. The quality of rat race bugman job and sportscar and weed aren't traditional White values, but they're hypergamous, and you're lying to yourself if you think that young women don't select mates primarily based on these today. Not controlling this hypergamy is why we have the problems in my second paragraph. Only motherhood and patriarchy can fix women. Nothing else can.

> women don’t have to take your deal either if they dont like it

> Women won’t take your deal and they have other options. You are going to have to make a better offer. Consider me a representative for femalekind. I am not going to recommend this deal to my client.

Hence the problems in my second paragraph. The problem goes both ways. Men, on the one hand, see the Nintendo Switch and Pornhub endorphin rush, and, on the other hand, see many of their friends in unhappy marriages or divorced and paying hefty child support without access to the kids. Both sides are actively opting out. But hey, maybe you're right, and all they need to do is "find themselves" before marriage, to reach apotheosis through the endorphin rushes. Or, maybe I'm right and the only solution is a return to our roots with multigenerational households and arranged marriage (with courtship). We're on course for your plan, so time will tell.

> If males can advance their wealth by trading their young daughters to wealthy men, they will. And it will become ingrained in the culture and genetics.

If the man can swim the English Channel, recite his family's unique and timeless history, and support a man's daughter, he is very able to be a father and husband. The greasy sickly geezers cannot. This is courtship. This is patriarchy. Men proving themselves as strong leaders (as judged by fathers, not female hypergamy) to earn the best wife he can. Women proving themselves as good prospective mothers and wives to earn the best husband she can. Whites have used this method for millennia. After a few centuries of your method, we have modern men and modern woman. Only motherhood, fatherhood, and patriarchy can fix this. But as I said, time will tell. We're on course for your plan.

>>Allow girls to gain the maturity that comes with a few extra years of experience before they make an informed choice to live with a man and his family. Let's think about a world like this. In this world, women can get as many degrees, ride as many cocks, and post as many nudes to Onlyfans as they want before being "ready" to settle down and have kids. Likewise, in this world men would be able to play video games, watch hours of porn every day, and fuck whores until he is "ready" to settle down. This model does not infringe on either party's consent to marriage, nor does it bring parents or grandparents into the conversation. True liberation. Now I ask: how is this different from the collapsing society we have now? You are arguing for the present situation and set of circumstances that have led to most children being born out of wedlock, 70% of men 20-34 being unmarried, and most marriages ending in divorce. Is the liberty worth it? >>You just described to me a hypergamy scenario Fathers choosing a husband have far different criteria, like strength and leadership, compared to women making the decision. The quality of rat race bugman job and sportscar and weed aren't traditional White values, but they're hypergamous, and you're lying to yourself if you think that young women don't select mates primarily based on these today. Not controlling this hypergamy is why we have the problems in my second paragraph. Only motherhood and patriarchy can fix women. Nothing else can. >> women don’t have to take your deal either if they dont like it >> Women won’t take your deal and they have other options. You are going to have to make a better offer. Consider me a representative for femalekind. I am not going to recommend this deal to my client. Hence the problems in my second paragraph. The problem goes both ways. Men, on the one hand, see the Nintendo Switch and Pornhub endorphin rush, and, on the other hand, see many of their friends in unhappy marriages or divorced and paying hefty child support without access to the kids. Both sides are actively opting out. But hey, maybe you're right, and all they need to do is "find themselves" before marriage, to reach apotheosis through the endorphin rushes. Or, maybe I'm right and the only solution is a return to our roots with multigenerational households and arranged marriage (with courtship). We're on course for your plan, so time will tell. >> If males can advance their wealth by trading their young daughters to wealthy men, they will. And it will become ingrained in the culture and genetics. If the man can swim the English Channel, recite his family's unique and timeless history, and support a man's daughter, he is very able to be a father and husband. The greasy sickly geezers cannot. This is courtship. This is patriarchy. Men proving themselves as strong leaders (as judged by fathers, not female hypergamy) to earn the best wife he can. Women proving themselves as good prospective mothers and wives to earn the best husband she can. Whites have used this method for millennia. After a few centuries of your method, we have modern men and modern woman. Only motherhood, fatherhood, and patriarchy can fix this. But as I said, time will tell. We're on course for your plan.

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