> man scientifically observes and records a mouse swim until it dies to gather a baseline. The research doesn't require dying. That's the whole point. You throw around the term Mongoloid with no apparent sense of irony since from the very outset your entire "argument" is based on a faulty premise. > You have a pretty fucking loose definition lol. I'm curious what definition of torture you have that is so skillfully defined that inflicting gratuitous pain and suffering counts as a "loose" definition. I have no doubt that you are unable to supply a cogent definition, though. Prepare the ad hominems. There's a guy on the internet with whom I cannot beat with facts and logic. > What about yoking/whipping/bridling a horse as a constant Sisyphean beast of burden, cursed forever to til fields and carry humans for the rest of it's waking life? Surely you must view that as a far more tortuous, horrifying, and psycho-socio-pathic event/action..... no? You just desperately want me to be some dirty hippy shitlib because that's the straw man you've built up in your mind and that you've spent countless hours fantasizing about winning an argument with. > You are truly a fucking abject mongoloid. You know what they say about jews. Send us a nose pic.