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Question about the Holocaust

Let me preface by saying that if you’re going to attack me for asking an honest question, then you’re a big reason why people like me who just want the real truth - whatever it is - get frustrated and just stop looking at some point.

That said, I think it’s fairly obvious (((who))) is behind a lot of terrible things in this country and worldwide. I mean, to realize this only requires a bare minimum amount of research and just paying attention to who controls all of the most evil organizations.

So, things that are happening in real time today are fairly easy to check out since we’re in the Information Age and all.

But, the past is tougher to investigate. As they say “history is written by the winners”.

I was born in the early 80’s, so wasn’t around for WWII or even Vietnam. I was in grade school during desert storm and college during 9/11.

The only access I’ve had to any real war vets from that era was a cousin of one of my grandfathers, who was at Pearl Harbor the day it was bombed by the Japs. He obviously survived and subsequently fought in the pacific theater as a pilot during the war. Real great guy, I always like him a lot and looked forward to visiting him in Florida when I was a kid. He would take us to the naval museum and always had great stories. Hated Obama and was a true patriot till the day he died.

Anyhow, here’s my question.. I have never heard of an American WWII vet who straight out said anything remotely close to “the holocaust didn’t actually happen.”

So this is what I’m having a hard time wrapping my brain around..if it didn’t happen, then wouldn’t literal thousands of American troops be coming home after that war and saying so?

And mind you, I’m not even trying to get into the question of whether or not anything the Germans did or didn’t do was morally right or wrong. That’s an entirely different discussion.

I’m simply asking how is it that thousands of troops who were actually there didn’t come home saying that the death camps were a fabrication, if in fact they were?

Or perhaps thousands did come home saying so and I’ve just never met one or even come across one of their descendants? Seems unlikely, but I’m open minded enough to hear any argument.

These people would have certainly told their sons “yeah that was all bullshit”, who would have then told their sons, and so on. But to my knowledge, this hasn’t happened at all.

So, anyone have an answer as to how such a ruse could be pulled off to the degree that so many of our own ancestors apparently were “seeing things that weren’t there?”

Again, I just want the truth, whatever it may be. If someone is going to preach the message that the holocaust was fake, then invariably they would have to answer this question at some point, right? I have to imagine many of you already have an answer to this question, I’m simply asking what that answer is.

EDIT: if anyone has any good links to documentaries or something, please share.

Let me preface by saying that if you’re going to attack me for asking an honest question, then you’re a big reason why people like me who just want the real truth - whatever it is - get frustrated and just stop looking at some point. That said, I think it’s fairly obvious (((who))) is behind a lot of terrible things in this country and worldwide. I mean, to realize this only requires a bare minimum amount of research and just paying attention to who controls all of the most evil organizations. So, things that are happening in real time today are fairly easy to check out since we’re in the Information Age and all. But, the past is tougher to investigate. As they say “history is written by the winners”. I was born in the early 80’s, so wasn’t around for WWII or even Vietnam. I was in grade school during desert storm and college during 9/11. The only access I’ve had to any real war vets from that era was a cousin of one of my grandfathers, who was at Pearl Harbor the day it was bombed by the Japs. He obviously survived and subsequently fought in the pacific theater as a pilot during the war. Real great guy, I always like him a lot and looked forward to visiting him in Florida when I was a kid. He would take us to the naval museum and always had great stories. Hated Obama and was a true patriot till the day he died. Anyhow, here’s my question.. I have never heard of an American WWII vet who straight out said anything remotely close to “the holocaust didn’t actually happen.” So this is what I’m having a hard time wrapping my brain around..if it didn’t happen, then wouldn’t literal thousands of American troops be coming home after that war and saying so? And mind you, I’m not even trying to get into the question of whether or not anything the Germans did or didn’t do was morally right or wrong. That’s an entirely different discussion. I’m simply asking how is it that thousands of troops who were actually there didn’t come home saying that the death camps were a fabrication, if in fact they were? Or perhaps thousands did come home saying so and I’ve just never met one or even come across one of their descendants? Seems unlikely, but I’m open minded enough to hear any argument. These people would have certainly told their sons “yeah that was all bullshit”, who would have then told their sons, and so on. But to my knowledge, this hasn’t happened at all. So, anyone have an answer as to how such a ruse could be pulled off to the degree that so many of our own ancestors apparently were “seeing things that weren’t there?” Again, I just want the truth, whatever it may be. If someone is going to preach the message that the holocaust was fake, then invariably they would have to answer this question at some point, right? I have to imagine many of you already have an answer to this question, I’m simply asking what that answer is. EDIT: if anyone has any good links to documentaries or something, please share.

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[–] • 10 pts

I'd say they witnessed the starved in the camps due to allied bombing

[–] • 5 pts

Ask them this.

Given that allies targeted all occupied Europe's means to transport food from farms to stomachs. That civilians and soldiers began to Starve. That the camps were abandoned as much as two weeks prior to allied troops arriving.

Under what scenario were the inmates not going to Starve?

With disease rampant throughout Europe due to malnutrition under what scenario was the inmates not going to die of diseases?

[–] • 7 pts

Anyhow, here’s my question.. I have never heard of an American WWII vet who straight out said anything remotely close to “the holocaust didn’t actually happen.”

The indoctrination has been intense since the end of the war. The so-called "greatest generation" tends to be less critical of what comes through the television and newspapers. Only a handful of American WW2 vets got anywhere near any German concentration camps, and the camps in Poland -- the ones claimed to be "death camps" -- were liberated by the Russians. The vets don't know any more about the camps than the rest of their generation.

Look at what's happening today. Look at how few doctors and medical professionals are willing to stand up and say "Covid vaccines are killing millions of people." Yet you know this to be true. They have been intimidated into silence. Almost everyone in the corporate media is intimidated into silence as well.

Imagine the pressure on Germans to keep their mouths shut about the concentration camps. If you were German and mentioned something about the camps, it meant one thing to the Jews and the people they indoctrinated with their "Holocaust" propaganda -- you must have been there. In the mind of the Jews that made you guilty, of something (even if they didn't know quite what it was). Germans would have had to be crazy to talk about the camps after the war, which is why so few ever say anything.

Covid has been useful in showing us in the West just how complete mind control and speech control can be when social pressures are applied, such as the threat to take away your job if you say anything. Only a handful of individuals have the guts to speak the truth. Now project that onto the so-called "Holocaust," and imagine the pressures on people to keep silent and go along with the prevailing Jewish fiction of the "death camps."

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Thanks for your helpful response.

My understanding was that both American and Russian forces found the camps, one entering from the west and the other from the east.

I have seen documentaries of American soldiers who were allegedly there describing the camps. But I have never seen docs of American soldiers saying the opposite, which I guess is part of what raised my question in the first place. That’s not to say such docs or accounts don’t exist, I don’t know. But if they do, I’d love to see them if you or anyone else knows where to find them.

I’m also curious as to whether Russians had a different story to tell than our guys upon the end of the war?

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The Americans bombed the shit out of supply lines. German 'camps' had virtually nothing the last year or so. Guards went without too. Typhus was endemic. People starved, or died of exposure and disease.

Russians (with jews in almost all the top positions) cranked up the propaganda machine against Germany, and started the whole 'death camp' myth.

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In fact, all of the camps Americans found we observed many people starving. Many of the people fed during their rescue died from refeeding syndrome. Jews went to the US military at several of these camps and claimed it was genocide. The US military intelligence conducted several investigations at various camps and found all such accusations to be false. Accordingly, the only such claims which are accepted as true are from Jewish-Soviet controlled camps. In other words, they investigated themselves, having no evidence to do so, and found their enemy to be guilty.

Courts have since acknowledged there literally exists no physical evidence of a holocaust event. The entire basis is from Jewish eye witnesses, who are literally paid to maintain their story. To this date, Jews steal almost a billion dollars per year from Germany to the "survivors." Of course, the "survivors" know their stolen money will only continue to flow to them so long as they are a victim in their own imagination.

You can't be the ultimate victim without he ultimate villain.

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Look up andersonville. It was a civil war prison camp. The photos of the prisoners are almost identical to what the prisoners looked like at any of the "death camps".

They were prison camps. They became death camps due to supplies becoming short and the diseases you can expect in such a cramped living condition.

The camps were real. They were akin to the camps Japanese immigrants were interned in the USA. The camps in the USA never ran short on supplies.

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Ok, so that’s helpful and it’s not something I’ve heard before. But it makes sense.

So you’re saying that they were starved simply because of wartime conditions threatening supply lines then.

Connecting dots here, I’m assuming that the Germans viewed the Jews with the same sort of suspicion that the Americans viewed Japanese citizens..since, you know, the bolsheviks and communists were primarily Jews and the Germans were at war with bolsheviks and communists.. does that about sum it up?

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Yeah that about sums it up.

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andersonville was one of the great tragedies and disgraces of the civil war. Wirz the guy that managed it was tried for war crimes.

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He just happened to be on the losing side.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

He also brutalized the pow's.

[–] [deleted] • 2 pts (edited )

My dad was a vet and served in France. He never talked about the war, but he hated jews. Never said why. I suspect he knew more than the lie jews have created about the hollowcost. OTOH, I knew lots of Vietnam vets that came home forever changed by that war. they didn't talk about that either.

Power can lead to unspeakable cruelty.

[–] • 1 pt

Hmmm.. doesn’t explain much regarding my original question, but I suppose still valuable. Like many have said, there’s reasons for it.

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Many reasons. US troops were not expecting to find labor camps filled with starving people. That the Nisei were in similar camps in the US is an obvious disconnect; the filthy japs attacked Pearl Harbor, they deserve it. There is evidence the red cross knew of the labor camps and hid the details. The US war machine had to be ramped up, and once we got going, the pressure maintained. That could not be turned off after the war. Are you aware that Catholics were in labor camps as well as gypsies, queers and political dissidents? Why do we only hear of the jews? Why can we even now not question the scripted narrative?

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I realize that, just offering my two cents. I wish I had answers too.

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Well I suppose it does say something for the fact that he risked his life to “liberate a people” only to hate them after the fact.

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Long story short, europe got bombed to shit, fucktons of records got destroyed as a result, when they weren't already destroyed by those who made them in the first place, so that's why you have a statu quo when it comes to WWII and historical facts. Lots of hard evidence are missing essentially so you're left relying on "testimonies"

Now when it comes to death camps it's simple none have been liberated by the allies. That, is a fact https://pic8.co/sh/lU1Uvy.jpeg Legend: squares = extermination camps rounds = concentration camps round and square = mixed camps red = liberated by soviets blue = liberated by US green = liberated by brits

All death camps/extermination camps have been liberated by soviets... Oddly...

What american vets found, were lots of people dying of starvation and typhus in concentration camps, that's what they found. And then they were told it was intentional, it was a genocide, death camps etc...

Again, none of the allies have liberated any "death camp", and that's an historical fact

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So the Russians made it up, I presume is the implication here?

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I mean not without help from Americans. Propaganda didn't stop right after the war. In fact, the government pretty much kept on making it. The Holocaust was a nice story to tell to justify what had been done to Germany, and jews were only too happy to tell it. The USSR had paid a far higher price for the war than the US did and was thus that much more in need of propaganda. I mean who was there really to speak against it? US veterans hated Hitler before the Holocaust myth because they were supposed to. Just like they hated the Japanese and later Koreans and Vietnamese. And much later Afghanis and Iraqis. Absent any sympathy for jews, which most Americans did not have, Hitler was portrayed as a dictator-tyrant. Since Americans loved freedom.

As has been pointed out, history is written by the victors. That the Holocaust overshadows all the other atrocities of a World War should tell you who the real victors were.

Another thing to remember is people didn't have as free access to information before the Internet. In fact, during WW2 and immediately thereafter all media was censored by the US government. So not only would you be discredited if you told a different story, but the government might come after you, too. They had a lot to hide; not just the facts around the camps.

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Maybe, maybe not... Who knows?

That being said, soviets weren't exactly famous for their truthful statements, quite the opposite actually

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Well my thinking was that because the Bolshevik/commie leadership was mostly Jews, then…

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I'm reading this right now http://radiochristianity.com/holocaust-deprogramming-course/ it's a looooong ass article with fucktons of references, and it really starts to get into the facts, after the series of quotes at the beginning

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Soviet Russia was most honest government in world. If you disagree you can go straight to gulag.

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Yes, just as they hid the Katyn Forest massacre of the Polish officer corps. This was exposed by the Germans, and widely disbelieved internationally.

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1) they (some, few) have. (see 5, 6, 9) 2) the holocaust narrative didn't start until many many many years after the holocaust (edit) WW2 3) the (((nuremberg))) trials were completely ran by jews and any soldier that questioned them were jew discharged 4) most German men were tortured and killed by the Americans and other (((allied))) forces. 5) due to 3 and 4 along with the immense area in which the war took place no soldier could say "yeah well I ws in literally all those places so nope" so they didn't. 6) questioning higher ups in the (((military))). Are you dumb? 7) So your "question" is a blatantly dishonest question? "So, anyone have an answer as to how such a ruse could be pulled off to the degree that so many of our own ancestors apparently were “seeing things that weren’t there?”" Because that didn't happen. The allied troops didn't EVER come home and say "that happened". So... why are you lying? Why are you trying to act like an innocent and naive person willing to learn ("Let me preface by saying that if you’re going to attack me for asking an honest question, then you’re a big reason why people like me who just want the real truth - whatever it is - get frustrated and just stop looking at some point.") only to cement your wanton learning with a blatant lie? 8) 0 evidence, anywhere, of anything. 9) question the idea in most places on Earth and you're jailed for decades.

I have 3 easy questions for you. 1) Are there any good jews? 2) Which economic system do jews fear? 3) Which religion is the most anti-jew faith there is?

e; But of course OP is a Quck who pushes the idea of (((divorce))).

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Exactly what I would hope didn’t happen, but then again I’m not exactly surprised by your bullshit response full of insults instead of simply answering the question.

To that point, you did answer the question to a decent degree, but of course because it’s you, you couldn’t bring yourself to finish your comment without a string of insults.

And that right there is why you have such a difficult time waking people who have literally been brainwashed their entire lives, as 98% of us have been. You aren’t actually interested in providing information or winning anyone over, are you? You’re EXACTLY LIKE THE OTHER SIDE WHO YOU CLAIM TO DESPISE in that all you really want is to punish anyone who questions your narrative..instead of you know, simply explaining why you believe what you believe.

The fact of the matter is that if I am going to bring an argument for something to someone who has either A) never heard it or B) has been firmly inoculated against it via brainwashing, then it stands to reason that I need to have my facts straight before that conversation is to take place.

Because unlike you, I’m actually interested in winning hearts and minds for the cause of American freedom, not sitting in my basement bitching and crying non stop about how much I hate the world, and then taking out my frustrations on people who actually want to contribute more than I am willing to.

Which, by the way, makes me 1000x more valuable to a freedom movement than some crotchety basement dwelling fuck like you because you’d rather stroke your own pathetic ego than actually do anything to actually win.

My question is simply a fact finding mission for both my own edification and so that if/when I have such a discussion with someone, it is actually fruitful.

Now, regarding your completely retarded AF conjecture about “questioning military superiors”… read my original post again, you illiterate fucktard. If a soldier came home after the war and gets out of the military as many did, then HE WOULD BE FREE TO TELL THE TRUTH OF HIS EXPERIENCE to people, especially his own progeny. No one, certainly not I, said a fucking thing about “questioning military superiors” except for YOUR DUMB ASS. Don’t put words in my mouth, ever, you fucking troglodyte.

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2) the holocaust narrative didn't start until many many many years after the holocaust (edit) WW2

this is false. there were several newspapers printed long before ww2 that specifically mentioned the 6 million number as well as references to a "holocaust"

8) 0 evidence, anywhere, of anything.

they found small traces of the gas on the walls. the revisionist explanation is that these rooms were used for delousing, which makes sense because the amounts found were minimal. either way, saying "0 evidence" is bullshit. if we stoop to outright lies, we are no better than they are.

9) question the idea in most places on Earth and you're jailed for decades.

this is probably the most compelling proof that its full of deceit. if it was obvious and full of evidence they wouldn't need laws to ban speech about it.

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this is false. there were several newspapers printed long before ww2 that specifically mentioned the 6 million number as well as references to a "holocaust"

Different holocausts and decades prior. I've posted this before. So those aren't the WW2 fake and for you to claim they were and my statement is false is not only wrong it's jewish.

https://mega.nz/folder/6P40VDDI#qROq9KnbhQo4abfzaC_MtQ WW2 starts 1939 by the way. But (((you))) knew that.

they found small traces of the gas on the walls. the revisionist explanation is that these rooms were used for delousing, which makes sense because the amounts found were minimal. either way, saying "0 evidence" is bullshit. if we stoop to outright lies, we are no better than they are.

You're just being jewish now. There was never any denial that zyklon b, a delousing agent was used. You present evidence that supports delousing as the reason for the existence of irrelevant amounts on the wall but you ignore the wooden doors, the holes in the doors, the holes in the ceilings etc. Why are you picking and choosing and only picking the jew narrative.

You're lying, splitting differences while ignoring facts, inserting your own jewish narrative and then "hurrrrrr you're right." all you're doing is attempting to slide the narrative.

@The_Real_Johnny_Ninja I forgot to confirm, answer my 3 questions please. @putinisinnocent answer them as well please. 1) Are there any good jews? 2) Which economic system do jews fear? 3) Which religion is the most anti-jew faith there is?

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The newspapers before mentioned holocausts of 6 million victims you dumb fuck. This means they were pushing that narrative long before ww2, essentially grooming the population for what coincidentally would happen in the near future

The claim was that gas was used. They found gas on the walls. This could be considered evidence for them. I personally think it was for delousing but it doesn’t change the fact that gas was found and supports their narrative

It’s not Jewish to acknowledge their arguments so that they can be countered but keeping calling people Jews for pointing out basic shit. Ironically your tactics are the same as Jews do when accusing people of muh antisemitisms rather than honestly engage in the discussion instead of getting all butthurt about it

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Short answer.

It was illegal to question the official story which came out after the vets were long since home and living as civilians

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Churchill wrote a 5-volume massive series of books about WW2. It got the Nobel Prize for literature. Not one mention of muh holocaust.

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How many troops do you imagine so the camps? It wasn't many. It wasn't an objective. There were no talks of it for nearly twenty years after the war. Don't you find that odd? It became a cottage industry and slowly built up after that.

I think you're imagining a situation where 1)a ton of troops saw camps and 2)the media at the time was talking about it on a massive scale. Neither is true. The encylopedias at the time don't even mention holocaust. Also, this 6 million number was repeated by jews FAR before WWII. Their religion required six million to die for them to get their homeland or some such bullshit.

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OP- "if it didn’t happen, then wouldn’t literal thousands of American troops be coming home after that war and saying so?"

The answer is because they didn't see it. The lion's share of American soldiers didn't fight in Europe, they didn't get directly involved in armed conflict in Europe until June 1944 when the Allies landed at Normandy (unless you count the North Atlantic Convoy skirmishes between 41 thru 44.) the point being that most were not involved in the European theater but in the Pacific theater. That being said; Realize that concentration camps were considered a military asset by the allies, as they were an integral part of the war machine's labor force and were bombed accordingly. LAGER NORDHAUSEN CONCENTRATION CAMP Victims of an RAF bombing raid at the nearby Boelke Barracks on night of 3/4 April 1945 (https://pic8.co/sh/cB4MtE.jpg)

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