Interesting stuff
Interesting stuff
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Interesting Voat post on the "" by northernman.
I heard it from Varg also that Yule was a 12 day celebration, only he had is as beginning on the winter solstice (Dec 21st this year) and going 12 days out from there. He connects Yule with Halloween as part of a progression.
According to , Halloween would be a time where the spirit world met with the physical. The pagan people would open the tombs of their ancestors and allow children to identify items from the tombs of their ancestors that they recognized (from a previous life).
A sorceror would then hold onto the items as the children completed an initiation ritual, which would be complete on the Yule eve. Those children who pass the initiation ritual would receive these items, and are recognized as the reincarnation of that ancestor whose items they hold.
But when the ancestors return, their shadows, or the bad side of their spirits return as well. So on the New Year's eve, they would battle the shadows (with fire and light).
So then while the old traditions have been co-opted and transformed, our current traditions still bear some resemblance to the old pagan ones (spooky stuff on halloween, 12 days of christmas, gifts, new years fireworks, resolutions).
How accurate is Varg's or Northernman's assessment? No idea. Having read a couple scholarly books on paganism, I know that myths were (somewhat) preserved by Christians (eventually) while the traditions, icons and practice of the old religions were destroyed or co-opted. So it seems very hard to talk about what the old traditions were for certain, and Varg doesn't usually say where he gets his information (though he'll tell you scholars are purposefully trying to discredit pagan beliefs).
I don't have time to fact check any of it, but it's interesting stuff. Interesting ideas.
edit: Northernman's post is actually a transcript from an Asatru Folk Assembly guy's youtube channel. https://youtu.be/PKQmpVHi2Uc?list=PLCctda7rx8Dmw83HdIV8EtxFcMAZsFNiE
Again, no idea where the ideas come from or how valid they are, but interesting.
Interesting Voat post on the "[12 days of Yuletide](https://voat .co/v/FolkishAsatru/2899024/15453666)" by northernman.
I heard it from Varg also that Yule was a 12 day celebration, only he had is as beginning on the winter solstice (Dec 21st this year) and going 12 days out from there. He connects Yule with Halloween as part of a progression.
According to [Varg's telling](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riM_7uq-WaI), Halloween would be a time where the spirit world met with the physical. The pagan people would open the tombs of their ancestors and allow children to identify items from the tombs of their ancestors that they recognized (from a previous life).
A sorceror would then hold onto the items as the children completed an initiation ritual, which would be complete on the Yule eve. Those children who pass the initiation ritual would receive these items, and are recognized as the reincarnation of that ancestor whose items they hold.
But when the ancestors return, their shadows, or the bad side of their spirits return as well. So on the New Year's eve, they would battle the shadows (with fire and light).
So then while the old traditions have been co-opted and transformed, our current traditions still bear some resemblance to the old pagan ones (spooky stuff on halloween, 12 days of christmas, gifts, new years fireworks, resolutions).
How accurate is Varg's or Northernman's assessment? No idea. Having read a couple scholarly books on paganism, I know that myths were (somewhat) preserved by Christians (eventually) while the traditions, icons and *practice* of the old religions were destroyed or co-opted. So it seems very hard to talk about what the old traditions were for certain, and Varg doesn't usually say where he gets his information (though he'll tell you scholars are purposefully trying to discredit pagan beliefs).
I don't have time to fact check any of it, but it's interesting stuff. Interesting ideas.
edit: Northernman's post is actually a transcript from an Asatru Folk Assembly guy's youtube channel. https://youtu.be/PKQmpVHi2Uc?list=PLCctda7rx8Dmw83HdIV8EtxFcMAZsFNiE
Again, no idea where the ideas come from or how valid they are, but interesting.
(post is archived)