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AR15 looks like a child's toy and shoots a fox hunting round. M14 is a beautiful rifle that shoots a round battle tested on commies.

AR15 looks like a child's toy and shoots a fox hunting round. M14 is a beautiful rifle that shoots a round battle tested on commies.
[–] 10 pts (edited )

1 - Cost - 7.62 (M14) is significantly more expensive versus the 5.56 / 2.23 (AR15) 2 - Skill - the vast majority of people neither have the skill level for the difference to matter nor will the ever be in a situation where the difference will matter. 3 - Market saturation - Your life is on the line, 2 guns that can both handle whichever situation that you cross. But you're not sure you have enough ammo. Do you choose the gun with saturation rate of the AR15 or of the M14? 4 - Weight - Yes, cartridges are small. Until you want to carry 50+ with other gear and every ounce matters on how well, comfortably and far you're able to move. 5 - Handling - 7.62 is significantly larger than the 5.56, as you pointed out. Size matters (go the fuck away if you're going to enter this convo with faggotry) Have you ever tried to write with a REALLY big pen? Size matters when you're handling the gun between shooting. (yes it also does matter for the target but see #2) 6 - in addition to #4 and #5, the size of the ammo determines how many you can carry and at 2/3rd the size of 7.62, the 5.56 allows for 33% more ammo for the sameish volume (it's not exactly 2/3rd, deal with it)

e; However you should own both. You're not always on the go, so keep the M14 inside your home.

[–] 4 pts

To add to this:

1) The M14 (and M1A by extension) had a HORRIBLE initial rollout. Springfield Armory designed the M14 as a M1 derivative, created a pilot run, earned buy-in on expanding production, and then the MIC bungled the follow-up. Winchester and Remington were comically low bidders who delivered terrible quality control for the first few years, leading to SA to continue receiving orders despite the intention for SA to stop production after the pilot run.

This lead to a belief that the M14 was a bad rifle due to QC issues, despite a sound design. This belief lingered on while the USAF ordered small numbers of M16s to supply base guards. These didnt have the horrific QC issues that Winchester and Remington M14 experienced, leading to other branches ordering M-16s under the rationale that "at least these rifles work". The upswing in demand for M16s exceeded M14 demand until production of M14s eventually ceased.

2) 7.62 has AP and barrier penetration advantages over 5.56 NATO. You know what the US DOD was shooting at during the period of M14 production? North Vietnamese guys in flip flops hiding behind foilage. 5.56 goes right through that without difficulty.

3) I second your point about ammo weight. 7.62 is heavier, larger (i.e. you can carry fewer rounds), and more costly. The primary purpose of small arms is suppression so you can kill the Opfor with artillery or crew-served MGs, not Private Snuffy's "Big honkin battle rifle".

4) I second your point about rifle and kit weight. If you've never tried to run with a M1, M14, or M1A...you should. You will learn why a few pounds matter.

5) Followup shots are faster and more accurate with 5.56 than 7.62. Both due to the inherently higher recoil of 7.62, and also because the buffer spring on the M16 SIGNIFICANTLY reduces felt recoil. And this isnt a "hur dur get stronker". It's physics.

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To further add the AR15 is a highly modular platform with an excessively large aftermarket for any kind of part you may want. You have the option of building multiple uppers in differing chamberings, barrel length and accessories that can be swapped onto the lower in seconds.

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Just get an AK and sell everything else to buy loads of ammo for it. Never have to worry about guns again.

[–] 9 pts

The average weight of an AR-15 rifle is typically around 7 pounds. Shoots high powered NATO rounds.

The average weight of an M14 rifle is typically around 10.7 pounds. Shoots .308 rounds. Proven to kill commies.

However, the AR15 is St. Kyle Rittenhouse Approved, also kills commies.

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Yes, but if he had a 7.62, he would also kill a commie behind him.

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2½ out of 3 commies ain't bad. The 3rd would have bled out given a little extra time.

[–] 7 pts

@Anticlutch pretty well nailed it, but I'd add another consideration...

7 - Customization. I pretty much like my hardware clean and unencumbered, but there is a littany of OEM parts and accessories available for the AR-15 platform that makes it attractive for do-it-yourselfers - should you want to go that way. M-14 not so much.

[–] 5 pts

Cuz AR stands for "America's Rifle." Duh.

[–] 3 pts

I don't know about obsessed. But the AR market is now flooded with low-cost AR rifles, making them more attractive for the average consumer. You can get a reliable AR for a third of the price of an M1A. That leads to a ton of aftermarket support for ARs.

The cost of ammunition is another consideration. Checking luckygunner.com just as a quick reference.
They have .308 starting out at around $0.80 per round. They have 5.56 starting out at around $0.45 per round.

[–] 3 pts

Well with that line of thinking, the BAR and it's 30.06 were proven before the M14. But it is a big hulk of a gun with shitty ergonomics. Same with the M14. I agree, with a good walnut stock it's a looker, but it's heavy, the ammo is heavy, and the ergos are shit. It's also kind of a bitch to mount an optic on it.

You can improve the handling and optics with that chassis system that's out there but that just ADDS to the weight.

[–] 3 pts

I'm pretty partial to the Kel-Tec Sub2000 and the Ruger PC Carbine (obviously I lost mine in a boating accident). 7.62, 5.56, and .308 are all fine and dandy, but the cost is night and day vs. 9mm. And if we were in an actual situation where we needed to use guns against people you won't be able to go out and buy ammo. 9mm will be available in abundance. Chances are the guy you just dispatched will have some 9mm on him.

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Friends don't let friends buy kel-tec. They have some interesting "we just did 4 rails of coke and come up with this crazy idea" designs but their production is straight fucking garbage.

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I don't know. Must be some internet rumor you mistook as facts. I (had) my Kel-Tec for quite a while. Ran hundreds of rounds through it without issue. Disassembly and cleaning is a breeze. What exactly about their production is garbage?

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I've had two Kel-Tec pistols and both were junk. Absolute rust magnets on the metal parts, and a broken spring and cracked mag well on one gun.

This was like 10 years ago, so maybe it has improved since then.

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I was gonna say because that's what the media talks about but everyone else has better answers.

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Why is anyone obsessed with M14s, when FN L1a1 exists?

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more pew pew fun for less money

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BM-59 - What the M14 should have been.

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I didn't even known those existed. Looks like we have European M14s now.

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