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Heh, I saw a great skit, I think it was on Demolition Ranch, where they were comparing .45 to 9mm.
A man was downrange setting up the target for the .45, and he was having trouble. The shooter shouts that he's ready, and to get out of the way.
The man downrange goes "Ah, no it's alright, go ahead and shoot, I'll be out of here in a second." He continues adjusting the target. The shooter shrugs, and fires several rounds. The guy down range casually steps to the side, then the rounds strike the target. A great visual gag on how "slow" (relatively) the .45 travels.
Jokes aside, I think we should look at murders and what police use to kill niggers as what's most effective. It's the most tested, we have the most data on it. The vast majority of cops carry either 9mm or a .40; I hear .45 is somewhat rare among police.
I've never seen a video of a man taking a 9mm to the torso and not dropping. I've also never seen a man struck in the torso with a .45 round and not drop. The debate really boils down to preference, IMO; and I think .45 might be a bit more effective against body armor, but that's just a guess.
The change from .45 to 9mm was about the number of rounds in the magazine. I my 1911 and would only swap it out for a double stack if it doesn't feel all plastic using the polymers. I would be all over a full metal version most likely.
A great video from demolition ranch is when he shoots a .45 down a curving maze of PVC pipe hitting targets. He even curved an AR-15 barrel back on itself into the red dot. You wouldn't think they would work but they do. He also has couple videos where he tries to clog the barrels of pistols and check to fire. Guys vids are pretty great fun.
Handgun rounds are not fight stoppers unless you have good shot placement. Rifles are fight stoppers. Handguns poke holes in targets. They don't have enough energy to injure with their temporary cavity. Rifles create giant holes in people. The point of your handgun is to get to your rifle. Exception for the 460 S&W I guess.
45 is not better than 9mm against body armor. It's all about sectional density and velocity. When you get a round that has decent mass behind its frontal surface area up above 1700 fps it starts to go through soft body armor. You have to use light for caliber bullets to do that out of most handguns.
Idk man, I've seen a shitload of shooting videos. Handguns drop people with a single shot to the torso almost 100% of the time.
Rifle shots to the torso, whether it's 5.56 or 7.62, ALWAYS put a guy down. They might get back up, but I've never seen a shootout video where a man wearing a rifle bullet in the stomach did anything other than try to flee. Have you watched any of the combat footage out of the Ukraine? Most of those guys are shooting 7.62 at each other, and holy shit is it effective. A single round to pretty much any spot on the torso is a crippling or mortal wound.
I have seen videos where guys catch 3 or more bullets from handguns, fall over or stumble, and then return fire, awake for at least a little while longer.
This dataset clearly has issues, but
Rifles and shotguns are vastly superior to all handguns.
~10-15% of assailants don't stop regardless of the number of shots. This is why militaries have drills to follow up with head or pelvic shots if the center of mass shots do not drop them.
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