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10mm is double the muzzle velocity and energy of 45 acp.
10mm is double the muzzle velocity and energy of 45 acp.
have had several 9s, 357s and 44s but Getting old so i switched to a 40sw. More rounds and the in between 9 and 45 is Enough. The 'for men' is still funny.
have had several 9s, 357s and 44s but Getting old so i switched to a 40sw. More rounds and the in between 9 and 45 is Enough. The 'for men' is still funny.
40 short and weak is literally a neutered 10mm. Grow a pair and get a 10mm.
40 short and weak is literally a neutered 10mm. Grow a pair and get a 10mm.
My 'pair' is fine, I hunted with a 44 mag for years. The 40sw is perfect for carry and a 10mm will go through the criminal and hit?
My 'pair' is fine, I hunted with a 44 mag for years. The 40sw is perfect for carry and a 10mm will go through the criminal and hit?
You can do anything with 10mm. If you are worried about overpenetration, load 135gr's. You can get even get ultra light liberty ammo rounds that go 2400 fps and barely penetrate 10 inches.
Want a happy medium? 155gr or 165gr gold dots. Want more penetration but still a hollow point? 180 gr. XTP. Want to shoot bear or take down three pavement apes that are attacking you down a hallway with a single bullet? 200gr hard cast.
Overpenetration is all about what ammo you choose. 10mm is an awesome round. More versatile than any other handgun round. Also awesome for reloading. The recoil is like a 357 magnum. It's not that bad. You can get warm loads that shoot like a 9mm out of a heavy gun too. It's no where close to a 44 mag.
You can do anything with 10mm. If you are worried about overpenetration, load 135gr's. You can get even get ultra light liberty ammo rounds that go 2400 fps and barely penetrate 10 inches.
Want a happy medium? 155gr or 165gr gold dots. Want more penetration but still a hollow point? 180 gr. XTP. Want to shoot bear or take down three pavement apes that are attacking you down a hallway with a single bullet? 200gr hard cast.
Overpenetration is all about what ammo you choose. 10mm is an awesome round. More versatile than any other handgun round. Also awesome for reloading. The recoil is like a 357 magnum. It's not that bad. You can get warm loads that shoot like a 9mm out of a heavy gun too. It's no where close to a 44 mag.
The only 45 I've ever had was a Kriss Vector. Shot a bunch of different 1911's. Meh
Now, when suppressors are equipped, 45 is better. Its quieter.
The only 45 I've ever had was a Kriss Vector. Shot a bunch of different 1911's. Meh
Now, when suppressors are equipped, 45 is better. Its quieter.
I carry a 9mm. I just thought the meme was funny.
I carry a 9mm. I just thought the meme was funny.
My daily is also a 9 or a 5.7
My daily is also a 9 or a 5.7
They make super heavy 158gr 9mm subsonics for suppressed submachine guns. They are pretty quiet out of my Osprey.
If you make a 10mm subsonic, you might as well use a 45.
They make super heavy 158gr 9mm subsonics for suppressed submachine guns. They are pretty quiet out of my Osprey.
If you make a 10mm subsonic, you might as well use a 45.
There are some other 9mm subsonics out there too, from small makers. Down at the level of 128Gr. Mostly used for target.
There are some other 9mm subsonics out there too, from small makers. Down at the level of 128Gr. Mostly used for target.
9mm is for women.
40 S&W and 45 ACP are for trannies.
10mm is for men.
9mm is for women.
40 S&W and 45 ACP are for trannies.
10mm is for men.
Pretty nice for a Savage. I did not even know they made pistols. I haven't seen a savage in years.
Pretty nice for a Savage. I did not even know they made pistols. I haven't seen a savage in years.
.357 magnum for me, thanks though.
.357 magnum for me, thanks though.
Real men carry a blunderbus
Real men carry a blunderbus
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
Heh, I saw a great skit, I think it was on Demolition Ranch, where they were comparing .45 to 9mm.
A man was downrange setting up the target for the .45, and he was having trouble. The shooter shouts that he's ready, and to get out of the way.
The man downrange goes "Ah, no it's alright, go ahead and shoot, I'll be out of here in a second." He continues adjusting the target. The shooter shrugs, and fires several rounds. The guy down range casually steps to the side, then the rounds strike the target. A great visual gag on how "slow" (relatively) the .45 travels.
Jokes aside, I think we should look at murders and what police use to kill niggers as what's most effective. It's the most tested, we have the most data on it. The vast majority of cops carry either 9mm or a .40; I hear .45 is somewhat rare among police.
I've never seen a video of a man taking a 9mm to the torso and not dropping. I've also never seen a man struck in the torso with a .45 round and not drop. The debate really boils down to preference, IMO; and I think .45 might be a bit more effective against body armor, but that's just a guess.
Heh, I saw a great skit, I think it was on Demolition Ranch, where they were comparing .45 to 9mm.
A man was downrange setting up the target for the .45, and he was having trouble. The shooter shouts that he's ready, and to get out of the way.
The man downrange goes "Ah, no it's alright, go ahead and shoot, I'll be out of here in a second." He continues adjusting the target. The shooter shrugs, and fires several rounds. The guy down range casually steps to the side, then the rounds strike the target. A great visual gag on how "slow" (relatively) the .45 travels.
Jokes aside, I think we should look at murders and what police use to kill niggers as what's most effective. It's the most tested, we have the most data on it. The vast majority of cops carry either 9mm or a .40; I hear .45 is somewhat rare among police.
I've never seen a video of a man taking a 9mm to the torso and not dropping. I've also never seen a man struck in the torso with a .45 round and not drop. The debate really boils down to preference, IMO; and I think .45 might be a bit more effective against body armor, but that's just a guess.
The change from .45 to 9mm was about the number of rounds in the magazine. I my 1911 and would only swap it out for a double stack if it doesn't feel all plastic using the polymers. I would be all over a full metal version most likely.
The change from .45 to 9mm was about the number of rounds in the magazine. I my 1911 and would only swap it out for a double stack if it doesn't feel all plastic using the polymers. I would be all over a full metal version most likely.
A great video from demolition ranch is when he shoots a .45 down a curving maze of PVC pipe hitting targets. He even curved an AR-15 barrel back on itself into the red dot. You wouldn't think they would work but they do. He also has couple videos where he tries to clog the barrels of pistols and check to fire. Guys vids are pretty great fun.
A great video from demolition ranch is when he shoots a .45 down a curving maze of PVC pipe hitting targets. He even curved an AR-15 barrel back on itself into the red dot. You wouldn't think they would work but they do. He also has couple videos where he tries to clog the barrels of pistols and check to fire. Guys vids are pretty great fun.
Handgun rounds are not fight stoppers unless you have good shot placement. Rifles are fight stoppers. Handguns poke holes in targets. They don't have enough energy to injure with their temporary cavity. Rifles create giant holes in people. The point of your handgun is to get to your rifle. Exception for the 460 S&W I guess.
45 is not better than 9mm against body armor. It's all about sectional density and velocity. When you get a round that has decent mass behind its frontal surface area up above 1700 fps it starts to go through soft body armor. You have to use light for caliber bullets to do that out of most handguns.
Handgun rounds are not fight stoppers unless you have good shot placement. Rifles are fight stoppers. Handguns poke holes in targets. They don't have enough energy to injure with their temporary cavity. Rifles create giant holes in people. The point of your handgun is to get to your rifle. Exception for the 460 S&W I guess.
45 is not better than 9mm against body armor. It's all about sectional density and velocity. When you get a round that has decent mass behind its frontal surface area up above 1700 fps it starts to go through soft body armor. You have to use light for caliber bullets to do that out of most handguns.
Idk man, I've seen a shitload of shooting videos. Handguns drop people with a single shot to the torso almost 100% of the time.
Rifle shots to the torso, whether it's 5.56 or 7.62, ALWAYS put a guy down. They might get back up, but I've never seen a shootout video where a man wearing a rifle bullet in the stomach did anything other than try to flee. Have you watched any of the combat footage out of the Ukraine? Most of those guys are shooting 7.62 at each other, and holy shit is it effective. A single round to pretty much any spot on the torso is a crippling or mortal wound.
I have seen videos where guys catch 3 or more bullets from handguns, fall over or stumble, and then return fire, awake for at least a little while longer.
Idk man, I've seen a shitload of shooting videos. Handguns drop people with a single shot to the torso almost 100% of the time.
Rifle shots to the torso, whether it's 5.56 or 7.62, ALWAYS put a guy down. They might get back up, but I've never seen a shootout video where a man wearing a rifle bullet in the stomach did anything other than try to flee. Have you watched any of the combat footage out of the Ukraine? Most of those guys are shooting 7.62 at each other, and holy shit is it effective. A single round to pretty much any spot on the torso is a crippling or mortal wound.
I have seen videos where guys catch 3 or more bullets from handguns, fall over or stumble, and then return fire, awake for at least a little while longer.
This dataset clearly has issues, but
Rifles and shotguns are vastly superior to all handguns.
~10-15% of assailants don't stop regardless of the number of shots. This is why militaries have drills to follow up with head or pelvic shots if the center of mass shots do not drop them.
This dataset clearly has issues, but [it's less than 50% one-shot stops for handgun rounds.](https://www.tierthreetactical.com/analyzing-1800-shootings-which-caliber-has-the-best-stopping-power/)
Rifles and shotguns are vastly superior to all handguns.
~10-15% of assailants don't stop regardless of the number of shots. This is why militaries have drills to follow up with head or pelvic shots if the center of mass shots do not drop them.
A 9mm with quality+p ammo is just better all around. Hate it if you want, but it won't make it less true.
A 9mm with quality+p ammo is just better all around. Hate it if you want, but it won't make it less true.
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