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What the actual fuck. I just can't believe that none of these companies are able to figure out their primer shortage. How difficult is it to make ammo? People can make it at home!

Everyone is talking about Biden's gun bill or whatever, not realizing that without ammo (and affordable ammo to actually practice) gun ownership is pretty much useless. If it costs more than a dollar a round, people will just use guns only for hunting, or will be horribly out of practice and not proficient if they have to defend themselves.

Ammo is as important as the actual weapon.

What the actual fuck. I just can't believe that none of these companies are able to figure out their primer shortage. How difficult is it to make ammo? People can make it at home! Everyone is talking about Biden's gun bill or whatever, not realizing that without ammo (and affordable ammo to actually practice) gun ownership is pretty much useless. If it costs more than a dollar a round, people will just use guns only for hunting, or will be horribly out of practice and not proficient if they have to defend themselves. Ammo is as important as the actual weapon.

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The dude who has 40 guns and more ammo than he could ever shoot in a decade is keeping other people from getting it.

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Usage rate varies. Competitive 3-gun shooters easily go through thousands in a year. The average redneck hunter might go through 100 max. A liberal would say that 1000 rounds is a massive stockpile, when it's just a combat load for 3 people.

As for the guy with 40 guns in his safe, he's just ensuring the people around him will be well equipped whether it's voluntary on his part or not.

The real culprit is the system restricting ammo production and threatening to cut off all future supply.

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It takes about 1k hours of training or deliberate practice at anything to become professional.

Assume your process is equally divided between 1. grip training, 2. draw training, 3. grouping/aim, 4. recoil control, 5. jam clearance.

Assume for every five minutes of training you expend 10-15 rounds all things being equal. If 200 of those hours are JUST firing, thats 24k-36k rounds for handgun proficiency alone, maybe an equal amount for rifles.

At more than a dollar a round you'll be lucky, if you started a couple years ago, to be proficient within the decade now.

However, on average, regardless of the skill, it takes only about 100 hours of practice to be more proficient than roughly 95% of the public, which in a pinch isn't too bad if you're training inexperienced recruits in say, a militia or community defense group.

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There are alternative ways to train without expending a ton of ammo. Laser dry fire practice gives you muscle memory with your gun, and if you have a common model you can often find gas blowback BB or airsoft guns that will give you a feeling of recoil. Even without those tools, dry fire practice can go a long way. You will always have to shoot real rounds every once in a while to make sure your body is reacting properly, but you can nurse your ammo supply quite a ways. Still, not everyone is going to like those options and many would rather shoot real lead or nothing at all.

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I do have one particular crazy prepper friend who showed me his ammo stash one time (pre-rona) and I couldn't fucking believe how much he had. Crates upon crates of the stuff in a dozen calibers. He had built custom shelving specifically for it.

Can't imagine how much he has now.

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I do have one particular crazy prepper friend

Why is that crazy?

And why is that "a lot."

You realize in the early days of america it wasn't all that uncommon to own entire warships and cannons, right?

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Why is that crazy?

It's not crazy to prep... but this guy is crazy.

>And why is that "a lot."

I suppose I didn't adequately illustrate. He had more ammo in stock than all the rounds I've ever shot ever. He had enough ammo to make sure everyone in my neighborhood could have sunday gunday for weeks. Half of his basement was ammo storage, some of which dated back to the early double oughts. He was a compulsive ammo buyer. That didn't count the ammo in various gun safes/cabinets/ closets. I don't mean "he had a lot" I mean he had more than he'd ever shoot in his entire lifetime. All I can imagine is that he's doubled down since rona.

>You realize in the early days of america it wasn't all that uncommon to own entire warships and cannons, right?

Yeah, and those guys had less ammo than my nutter friend.

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Thing about America is, how many guns & ammo one person has is none of your fucking business.

Your little jealous rant sounds just like the liberal cunts whining about how much money this or that person has and we should take it from him to re-distribute you know, for the common good.

Get bent you little commie!

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Nigger

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Really,

That's the best you can come up with?

I use proper English & punctuation. This is not ebonics, boy.

Before your next obvious insult, I do not wear a little hat either.

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Until he needs it then he can arm 39 of the correct people.

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Maybe I'll help arm those in need when the time comes.