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[–] [deleted] • 2 pts

not sure what are asking, "permission" maybe it a local thing. but you being safe there should be no issue

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If a fire arm is discharged accidentally it is a misdemeanor in the united states according to federal law.

EDIT: So if you walked outside carrying a gun and you accidentally shot yourself in the foot(I've heard it has happened) You have committed a crime.

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Can you cite that law? Ive never heard such a thing?

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i cannot see how this is possible, is this something new?

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Its possible people have had accidents with guns as long as they have existed. So should it be a crime or an accident?

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Gun laws are both federal and state. Shooting yourself in the foot would refer back to local and state laws. The feds only concern us with their “types of gun” laws, not the use of guns.

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Permission from whom? There are three reasons to shoot a firearm, practice/fun, protection and shooting food. There are always restrictions on 'where' you shoot, but when shooting legally, i will not ask permission. The makers of illegal firearms laws will not answer the question= do the gang members 'ask' when they kill 762 every year in Chicago?

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I was more thinking, for example if I want to go shoot a target in my back yard by myself, and it for some reason falls on the ground and discharges(I know irresponsible gun ownership) however that is currently a crime where I live. It is possibly a felony. Even if no one is hurt. HOWEVER I watch people(of a certain persuasion) firing guns into the air wildly every fourth of July and no one cares. This confuses me as I've seen someone get arrested and charged for the scenario I described before but not the second. So how is the first not an infringement on the second amendment?

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Shooting in a 'city' is the same as going 80 in a 25 MPH zone because the bullet always comes down, we have to restrict 'Where' you can shoot. I have fired a million rounds and i live in a city of 500,000, but i have never fired a weapon in the city, unless it was in a gun range. Yes, the nit wits that shoot in the air should be arrested but the police can not be 'there' all the time.

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The right to bare arms is not the same as right to randomly endanger people.

The "well regulated" portion means to know how to effectively and safely operate, and maintain the arm (note, arm, not weapon, rifle, gun).

Let's not forget the generally accepted rule is, your rights end where mine start. Does your right permit you to endanger myself or others?

Let's not forget that contrary to what the second amendment says, townships have frequently shat upon it since its signing. I'm sure this has manifest into all of our perceptions in various ways.

Obviously that can and has turned into a slippery slope for abuse. What's the alternative?

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So If I accidentally shoot myself in the foot should that be a crime or an accident? Currently according to federal law its a crime.

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It's not illegal to be stupid, however it is illegal to be negligent. Whenever a Firearm is accidentally discharge It's call a ND, Negligent Discharge.

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Given your correct use of terminology, and your user name, I thought you might like to read my comment above, you can scroll or it's for your convenience.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

All that matters is if you report yourself to a social worker you should be ok

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Couple of things 1) is incorrect about "well regulated" meaning able to safely operate. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," it says, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

In a historical context "well regulated" meant supplied and equipt. More importantly, that is a prefatory clause, the 2nd part is the meat "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." on the topic if you're interested.

Further, militias and people are two different concepts, so even if "regulated" in the modern usage of the word were to be applied, the amendment specifically acknowledges the right of the "people", so the "regulation" would only be applied to the militia.

His 2nd point, however, I agree with- your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.

That said, having a negligent discharge treated as a crime, so long as there was no victim or property damage, and it wasn't gross negligence (i.e. throwing a loaded handgun with safety issues up in the air to catch it, or something stupid and dangerous to others).

Last bit is (forgive me I don't know how much firearms experience you have) negligent discharges almost always mean "I squeezed the trigger but then regretted it." Guns don't just "go off"

You'll see this pretty frequently when cops shoot an unarmed mother holding a baby or what not "The gun accidentally went off" as if it was the gun's volition. "Accidentally went off" when talking about modern firearms means "I put my finger on the trigger and squeezed." Older firearms without striker blocks used to be pretty dangerous when dropped, and occasional you'll have a new firearm that isn't drop safe (like the v1 of the Sig Sauer p320) but the company will recall and fix the thing.

So I could see a negligent discharge being a crime, depending on the circumstances.

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It's something I've extensively researched. I'm 100% sure the regulated definition I've provided is completely accurate.

Back in the day they didn't want an idiot to try to operate a cannon or mortar without knowing what was going on. On top of that, incorrectly loaded weapons were also an issue. People don't even think of such things today. Back then you usually brought your own arm.

On top of that, militia are expected to fight against or along side a standing army. They didn't want unqualified people doing that.

In short, regulated means you are capable of safely operating and maintaining your arm.

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What's the distinction between that and idiots firing hundreds of rounds into the air on new years?

Not that I don't see your point, but what's the alternative?

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something doesn't need to be intentional to be a crime: manslaughter instead of murder for instance.

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Ohhhh so this is how they are justifying the medical Tyranny? You are infringing on everyone elses rights by breathing air unimpeded. Got it.

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How is that not an infringement on the second amendment?

...keep and bare arms...

doesn't mention using them to my knowledge. Just a thought.

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Where is it suggested that I have to ask to fire my firearm?

Are you suggesting that an "accidental discharge" is firing without permission?