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Has anyone considered the value of clip loaded combat rifles, as per an SKS or M1 Garand?

The value of clips when loading magazines is clear, to your thumb at least, but what about the value of never needing a magazine, ever?

The more ammo you have, the more valuable the clip-loaded rifle becomes.

Suppose you have a big stash of ammo, over 1000 rounds. WIth a magazine-fed rifle, how much of your ammo do you pre-load into magazines, ie, how many mags do you need? How long do you leave those magazines loaded?

With clip fed rifles, your ammo is always ready.

Is someone really going to load 1200 rounds of bulk ammo into 40 x 30 round magazines and leave it stashed indefinately? Not likely.

Is someone really going to have 1200 rounds of ammo in pre-loaded clips for their SKS or Garand? Sure, and why the hell not? It's not like clips are prohibitively expensive, and it's especially convenient if the ammo is pre-loaded into clips.

BTW, a "mini Garand" with clip-fed, top-loaded internal magazine that fires .223, perhaps from 10 or 12 round clips, would be the ultimate Guerrilla warfare combat rifle.

Edit: I never even mentioned the issue of bad magazines, which are very common. If you have dozens of magazines loaded up, have you tested them before hand? What do you do with magazines that "sorta" jam? Seriously, anyone dissing my argument on the grounds that magazines are automatically superior is a knucklehead at best.

Has anyone considered the value of clip loaded combat rifles, as per an SKS or M1 Garand? The value of clips when loading magazines is clear, to your thumb at least, but what about the value of never needing a magazine, ever? The more ammo you have, the more valuable the clip-loaded rifle becomes. Suppose you have a big stash of ammo, over 1000 rounds. WIth a magazine-fed rifle, how much of your ammo do you pre-load into magazines, ie, how many mags do you need? How long do you leave those magazines loaded? With clip fed rifles, your ammo is always ready. Is someone really going to load 1200 rounds of bulk ammo into 40 x 30 round magazines and leave it stashed indefinately? Not likely. Is someone really going to have 1200 rounds of ammo in pre-loaded clips for their SKS or Garand? Sure, and why the hell not? It's not like clips are prohibitively expensive, and it's especially convenient if the ammo is pre-loaded into clips. BTW, a "mini Garand" with clip-fed, top-loaded internal magazine that fires .223, perhaps from 10 or 12 round clips, would be the ultimate Guerrilla warfare combat rifle. Edit: I never even mentioned the issue of bad magazines, which are very common. If you have dozens of magazines loaded up, have you tested them before hand? What do you do with magazines that "sorta" jam? Seriously, anyone dissing my argument on the grounds that magazines are automatically superior is a knucklehead at best.

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Modern clip-fed rifles with high capacity would be a huge strategic advantage for citizens, who'd never need to reload magazines during a fight. Even older rifles like a Garand, in the right scenario, would out-fight modern combat rifles (which didn't have all their ammo pre-loaded into magazines), particularly from a fixed position over an open field of view.

None of what I'm saying applies where ALL the ammo is pre-loaded into magazines, except in that case magazines are still heavier than clips, so advantage is still with clips.

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Could a AR or AK 47 be made to work with clips?

Again why is there not a light weight high power clip fed modern gun and how do we crowdsource funding for such a weapon...

Goal would be to make an American ak47 level clip fed gun.. super reliable. Easy to work. High power. Accurate up to let's go for 200 yards.. 16 round clips? Or multiple amounts?

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The "mini Garand" is the idea that springs into my head. Imagine a Mini-14 sized rifle but with top-fed Garand style clips. Since .223 is small, the clips could hold more than 8 rounds. A 10-round clip would circumvent BS capacity laws, but there's no reason an extended magazine couldn't be attached if the rifle was designed for it, so long as bigger clips were available.

One design issue for a high-capacity internal magazine would be that a curved internal magazine and hence curved clip doesn't seem feasible, although perhaps it would work.

I'm actually fine with smaller clips. Anyone who thinks higher capacity alone is their big strategic advantage is likely to get themselves killed pretty quickly. An M1 is still superior to an M16 in an open area such as the desert or open planes, and no amount of magazine capacity can change that.