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Has anyone considered the value of clip loaded combat rifles, as per an SKS or M1 Garand?

The value of clips when loading magazines is clear, to your thumb at least, but what about the value of never needing a magazine, ever?

The more ammo you have, the more valuable the clip-loaded rifle becomes.

Suppose you have a big stash of ammo, over 1000 rounds. WIth a magazine-fed rifle, how much of your ammo do you pre-load into magazines, ie, how many mags do you need? How long do you leave those magazines loaded?

With clip fed rifles, your ammo is always ready.

Is someone really going to load 1200 rounds of bulk ammo into 40 x 30 round magazines and leave it stashed indefinately? Not likely.

Is someone really going to have 1200 rounds of ammo in pre-loaded clips for their SKS or Garand? Sure, and why the hell not? It's not like clips are prohibitively expensive, and it's especially convenient if the ammo is pre-loaded into clips.

BTW, a "mini Garand" with clip-fed, top-loaded internal magazine that fires .223, perhaps from 10 or 12 round clips, would be the ultimate Guerrilla warfare combat rifle.

Edit: I never even mentioned the issue of bad magazines, which are very common. If you have dozens of magazines loaded up, have you tested them before hand? What do you do with magazines that "sorta" jam? Seriously, anyone dissing my argument on the grounds that magazines are automatically superior is a knucklehead at best.

Has anyone considered the value of clip loaded combat rifles, as per an SKS or M1 Garand? The value of clips when loading magazines is clear, to your thumb at least, but what about the value of never needing a magazine, ever? The more ammo you have, the more valuable the clip-loaded rifle becomes. Suppose you have a big stash of ammo, over 1000 rounds. WIth a magazine-fed rifle, how much of your ammo do you pre-load into magazines, ie, how many mags do you need? How long do you leave those magazines loaded? With clip fed rifles, your ammo is always ready. Is someone really going to load 1200 rounds of bulk ammo into 40 x 30 round magazines and leave it stashed indefinately? Not likely. Is someone really going to have 1200 rounds of ammo in pre-loaded clips for their SKS or Garand? Sure, and why the hell not? It's not like clips are prohibitively expensive, and it's especially convenient if the ammo is pre-loaded into clips. BTW, a "mini Garand" with clip-fed, top-loaded internal magazine that fires .223, perhaps from 10 or 12 round clips, would be the ultimate Guerrilla warfare combat rifle. Edit: I never even mentioned the issue of bad magazines, which are very common. If you have dozens of magazines loaded up, have you tested them before hand? What do you do with magazines that "sorta" jam? Seriously, anyone dissing my argument on the grounds that magazines are automatically superior is a knucklehead at best.

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[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

Hmm. I think customers wouldn't want it, which is why it hasn't been developed.

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That's a purely B.S. argument. It's like saying CNN runs fake news stories because that's what the public demands.

A "mini Garand" in .223 would sell like hotcakes, and you'd want one too.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt (edited )

I don't think so. The AR-15 will remain the king of civilian rifles for a long time. People don't want a new primary fighting rifle with new parts when they have a ton of AR accessories already.

I have hundreds of rounds of .303 British loaded into Enfield clips, in bandoleers. I once put on as many bandoleers as I could and it was absurdly heavy. The volume of rounds you are talking about is only relevant in a static defense scenario, and the only situation in which there would be an advantage to clips would be if you were firing nonstop for hours and any break in firing (to reload mags, for example) would result in your position being overrun. It's a one-in-a-trillion scenario. Clips don't have any advantage in any scenario that is likely to happen.

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You've made a good point, that clips are particularly superior for defending a static position. The disadvantage of clips you site has only to do with the antiquated rifles, not the actual technology of using clips. Other factors being equal, a 20-30 round internal magazine fed rifle with a big Garand-style clip would trump an externally fed one, for all but dedicated police or military use (when they know exactly when/where they'll need to be loaded and ready).