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It cant just be donut, I eat the fuck out of some donuts. 200lbs, and not fat.
As much as FPH likes to dunk on fatties for bringing it up, metabolism is a thing. Some people can eat like shit and burn it all off without trying, other people eat like shit and turn into a heart attack wrapped in a beetus.
The other thing is excercise, once someone gets seriously fat it gets very difficult to burn it off just because it's hard to do most of the things normal people do to excercise. Also there's the shame of being fat making it harder to do social things like joining a sports club.
Could be other problems upstairs too, like social anxiety.
Ok so metabolism is a thing. If someone has a slow metabolism, then it’s up to them to EAT LESS!
My metabolism slowed and I got to 240 at 6’5”. So you know what? Now I eat vegetables fruit and plainly cooked fish and meats, and I cut out sugar flour and garbage.
Amazing, I lost 20 lbs and can do even more pull ups. No excuse for fat fucks, no sympathy.
Thoughtcrime asked how they got that way, I answered.
That's how I found out my baseline metabolism is only 1800 calories a day. If I eat more than that I gain weight. If I want to lose a pound per week I have to eat less than 1400 calories a day. Everyone has a baseline metabolism no matter what metabolism you have.
It's almost impossible to eat only 1400 calories if you're eating burgers, pasta, bread, and other shit food. If you eat a lot of fruit and vegetables it's a lot easier. 1400 calories is like 20 oranges or ten bowls of oatmeal. 1/4-lb of chicken thigh is 240 calories. Oatmeal for breakfast, 1/4-lb chicken thigh and an orange for lunch, an apple for snack, and you're still free to eat 900 calories for dinner.
I agree. All this stuff is genetic IMO. All of it. Some of it is a metabolic thing. Some of it is a “mental health” thing. These systems are all interconnected so its basically impossible to divorce metabolic factors from emotional eating.
Being fatties was really useful in certain environments historically when food was scarce. We are in a new environment and some of us havent evolved to function in it.
One day soon, we will discover 2 or 3 genes that explain 95 % of fat people and we will say “oh I guess they didnt really choose to be fat.”
Social shaming has its usefulness in regulating behaviors in society. But if we really care about other white people, we should push for health environments for white people and stop letting (((corporations))) push garbage on them.
You wouldnt feed a lot of this food to your dog. Dogs dont really choose to eat potato chips or ice cream, if you put it in front of them. They literally cant stop themselves. Our systems are pretty much the same. Choice is really an illusion. We can pressure people to follow different habits or change their environments. But we should be scientific about our approach to obesity and stop acting like hysterical niggers about it.
There are a lot of great fat people out there with good values. We can improve their utility if we can solve the fat problem. Its just a problem to be solved.
Pretty much.
As for social shaming, it's a stick. It's not a bad thing to have a stick whipping people in the right direction, but there needs to be a path for them to take and some kind of carrot at the end otherwise it'll only motivate them to be depressed and give up.
I agree. I think social shaming can be really useful. Fat people never really bothered me — I mean no one is making you fuck them, not yet anyway. But I must admit that the fat is getting out of hand. My heart breaks for some of these people.
Perhaps more focus on shunning behavior rather than the state of being fat is more useful.
If we can indoctrinate people that not excercising is simply unacceptable behavior. That eating certain diets and certain foods is just unacceptable. Religions put proscriptions on eating certain food at certain times and are very successful in controlling eating behavior. That will help at least many “normal” people who tend to put on 5 or 10 lbs a decade.
James Watson got into a lot of trouble a few years ago for discussing the melanocortin system which affects melanin production and eating and fucking and violent behaviors, because of its racial implications. He says fat make you feel happy and skinny people are miserable and mean. Because food was historically scarce skinny disatisfied people are more driven to seek out food or other resources. I think fatties with mood disorders are sometimes instinctively trying to rectify negative emotions. It probably works to some extent.
Genetics could be part of it. I think it is a lot more complicated and I think it is a combinatorial problem. Here are several variables that have far more effect on the rate at which food is processed, absorbed and stored as fat:
1) Your gut biome - if you get your gut biome completely destroyed, you are going to have a really difficult time actually absorbing enough nutrients to survive.
You can get gut biome transplants from skinny people and you will typically remain skinny.
2) The amount of muscle mass you have on your frame - if you are excercising / working and have large amounts of muscle mass you will burn more calories than someone with virtually no muscle mass that sits in front of the computer all day long.
Just by default, more muscle means burning more calories.
3) Eating large amounts of sugars in all of its forms including starches - while all food spikes your insulin levels, sugars in all of their forms spikes your insulin levels so incredibly high the food you intake gets mostly stored as fat rather than processed.
And it gets worse.
There is such a thing as a hunger hormone called ghrelin. Ghrelin is released under certain conditions and, while this isn't a huge problem if you are intermittent fast, if you want to do a full fast for more than a week, you will hit a ghrelin wall on day 3 and day 5 or your fast. If you can make it to day 7 and beyond you are home free EXCEPT if you cheat by eating even a crumb. The tiniest amount of food on a full fast will trigger a ghrelin response and you are fucked and will not be able to continue your fast unless you want to deal with withdrawal like symptoms.
It gets even worse: Sleepwill affect how and what you eat. If you are a programmer and tend to work at night (or any night job) your hormone cycles will re-adjust them selves and make you crave all kinds of bizarre things at night.
It gets even worse: If you are trying to do intermittent fasting (eating once every 24 hours) and you don't know how to cook, you will eat restaurant food and that will fuck with your daily hormone cycles because the nutritional value of restaurant food is not designed to satiate, it is designed to bring you back in for seconds (high in addictive properties, low in saitative properties). To actually do intermittent fasting, you have to learn how to cook first because your body will tell you what it's craving based on the nutritional requirements.
It gets even worse: If you want to regain control over your eating, not only do you have to balance all of the above in some way, you have to convert to a keto style diet. Basically, you need to know how to cook meat and green veg, which are the only two things that should be on your plate. This can be cheap if you know how to cook, however, the reason poor people eat mostly starches is because starches are the cheapest calories on the planet, so you will be spending a bit more money cooking meat + green veg.
So, you are right, but its NOT only gentics. The amount of permutations of just the things I have listed that you can do to loose weight is vast. But really gaining control for most people will be a multifactor strategy.
// EDIT: Also, there is no such thing as losing weight. Instead, what you need to do is regain control over your daily hormonal rhythms. You don't control your weight, your hormones do. If you want your weight to re-adjust, you need to either control your hormonal rhythms or increase your caloric output. But, there is no such thing as losing weight in the same way that you cannot think and stop your heart or think and stop your breathing. These are all controlled by subsystems that are not under your concious control.
Ok, so how does it work if you're fasting and you take vitamins, thyroid meds, or one of those vitamin C "emergen C" packets with water. Does that trigger the ghrelin?
I never really researched intermittant fasting so youve given me some new information to check out. I dont think Ive ever heard of ghrelin.
it is a combinatorial problem
If you are a programmer and tend to work at night
The amount of permutations
Uh, I think I know what you do for a living lol.
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