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When is a genocide, a genocide?

The UN is a clear Definition: "genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group."(Genocide are all actions that have the purpose, to destroy a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group).

The Ukraine since 1991, that the great famine in the years 1932-33, called "Holodomor", internationally as Stalin committed genocide is acknowledged. The well-known Swiss physician and politician Franco Cavalli – details to his Person, see below – explains why the Holodomor was a tragedy of historic proportions, but not specifically against the Ukraine-targeted measure.

It is becoming more common, that the term "genocide" is inappropriate but will be used not to say inflammatory way, which brings the obvious danger of a trivialization of the word.

This often happens with political intentions, which are almost never stated, but obvious, and almost always go in one direction.

If, for example, at least in our latitudes – the term genocide is never used, and what the Turks are doing for over a decade against the Kurdish people, passes lately, not a day, not someone on the genocide writes or speaks, the Chinese government committed to the Uighur population in Xinjiang.

This goes so far that some Western parliaments, including the Dutch, they have formulated accusation in declarations, similar to those of the Swiss Parliament after a year-long debates about the undeniable Armenian genocide that was committed in front of a little more than 100 years, Turkey has made.

I will confine myself to the observation that recently, an important work by a unanimous as a great connoisseur of the matter is applicable to the author appeared – Björn Alpermann, Xinjiang: China and the Uighurs – who, after evaluation of all available information arrives at the conclusion that it is not necessarily a genocide can speak, except, perhaps,

in a figurative sense, a "suppression of the Uighur culture". The UN human rights Commissioner Michelle Bachelet (the very hard against Maduro's Venezuela, the procedure was) seems to be after her recent visit to China to the same conclusion came to be.

She immediately became the victim of a vicious smear campaign by the international media, so that she stated that she will not accept the renewal of its mandate.)

But nowadays, our media is talking more often of the Holodomor, i.e., the death by starvation of about 3 million Ukrainians between 1932 and 1933, and to write of Stalins clearly genocidal intentions, so to speak, as further evidence for the historical wickedness of the Russians against Ukrainians.

In fact, in some European parliaments were introduced, including in Italy, amendments to the events of the time to be recognised in Ukraine as a genocide. To apply this theme to discuss, I support myself mainly to what Simone Oggionni, national Director of the cultural sector of "Articolo Uno", am 28.

In may of this year, in his Blog, and then in the HuffPost has published. Oggionni has a remarkable book about Lucio Magri published, we are in a previous issue of our journal, Quaderni from the "forum alternativo" reported.

Before we get into the main thing, you should probably remember that I knocked over in 1919, the repressive policies of the tsarist Russia, and various peoples, especially the Ukrainians, has granted in all areas of autonomy, which is why Putin as he is on 24. February, the beginning of military Aggression, said that Lenin as the main responsible for the Ukrainian Problem described.

What is genocide?

The term genocide is defined somewhat Accurate, and is not a Synonym for massacre or tragedy. In December 1948 the United Nations adopted the "Convention on the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide" is defined in the genocide, the deliberate and conscious planning and implementation of the (full or partial) eradication of an ethnic, religious, or national group.

It is not, therefore, possible social, or other mention of it, but it is clearly just an ethnic, religious or national. In the case of the Holodomor a genocide to talk to, so the conscious will of Stalin, millions of people as the Ukrainians to kill, to be demonstrated.

How Oggionni and emphasized the "great famine of 1931 and 1933", the outside of the Ukraine, in Kazakhstan, to the Volga river Region, several hundred thousand victims called for, but undisputed.

The great famine had a variety of causes. There were natural causes (typhus epidemics, droughts, etc.), but the famines were certainly also a result of Stalin's political decision to accelerate the forced collectivization of the rural areas, in particular, to the resources for the vast industrialization efforts of the Soviet Union to absorb the changes, among other things, the country with a rise in the Per capita GDP of 61 percent in the next ten years.

According to Oggionni these famines were largely unforeseen consequence of the totalitarian application of Stalinist economic decisions, and also because they were a form of self-punishment for the global System.

Starting in September of 1932, exacerbated Stalin the Situation, he struck indiscriminately on the kulaks, i.e., on the land owned by farmers and all who resisted collectivization, ends.

In order to weaken your resistance, don't hesitate to Stalin, also shows one of the most violent pages of Stalinism, even the weapon of starvation against them.

And the demographic data are clear: The majority of the deaths came on the land killed, much less in the cities, and regardless of the ethnic origin, or of the spoken language.

If you are already of an intentional extermination of people want to speak, so this happened, so to speak, on the Basis of social Status, not on their religious, ethnic or national Basis, so that the term genocide in this case, is not the case.

The Russians as victims of genocide?

Oggionni points in order to expand the discourse, a fact about which we talked about in our magazine several times and I personally also in a speech in front of the Swiss national Council 15 years ago had pointed out.

One of the feelings with which Putin justifies his neozaristische imperialist policy, the revanchist mood that prevails in a large part of the Russian people against the West, against the West, the guilty, "to have the us after the end of the Soviet Union destroyed".

A similar sentiment prevailed in the German population by the unjust actions of Germany were imposed after its defeat in the First world war. This Frustration was later exploited by Hitler to come to Power.

After the end of real socialism recognised, in particular, the world Bank and the IMF, with Yeltsin (the democratic Experiment by the bombing of the Duma, had) as a puppet to a sharp Transition to a market economy and capitalism, between 1991 and 2014 in the countries of real socialism excess mortality crisis, with an estimated 18 million dead-caused, of which 12 million in Russia – see "When Life Expectancy Is Falling: Mortality Crises in Post-Communist Countries in a Global Context". In Russia, the life expectancy of men fell in this period of about 7 years: an enormous tragedy of historical importance.

Nevertheless, there is no reason to speak of a genocide against the Russians, but from the devastating effects of an economic policy directed against certain social groups (in parallel, the so-called oligarchies) originated Yes.

As Simone Oggionni deciding, it's not a question of "provocative analogies to set up, it is simply a matter of record, that each of the (historical) phenomenon brings with it the need for appropriate, non-generalization and non-distorting definitions with".

Otherwise, we run the risk of trivialising the real genocide, beginning with the Shoah, in a very dangerous way.

https://www.nachdenkseiten.de/?p=90931

**When is a genocide, a genocide?** The UN is a clear Definition: "genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group."(Genocide are all actions that have the purpose, to destroy a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group). The Ukraine since 1991, that the great famine in the years 1932-33, called "Holodomor", internationally as Stalin committed genocide is acknowledged. The well-known Swiss physician and politician Franco Cavalli – details to his Person, see below – explains why the Holodomor was a tragedy of historic proportions, but not specifically against the Ukraine-targeted measure. It is becoming more common, that the term "genocide" is inappropriate but will be used not to say inflammatory way, which brings the obvious danger of a trivialization of the word. This often happens with political intentions, which are almost never stated, but obvious, and almost always go in one direction. If, for example, at least in our latitudes – the term genocide is never used, and what the Turks are doing for over a decade against the Kurdish people, passes lately, not a day, not someone on the genocide writes or speaks, the Chinese government committed to the Uighur population in Xinjiang. This goes so far that some Western parliaments, including the Dutch, they have formulated accusation in declarations, similar to those of the Swiss Parliament after a year-long debates about the undeniable Armenian genocide that was committed in front of a little more than 100 years, Turkey has made. I will confine myself to the observation that recently, an important work by a unanimous as a great connoisseur of the matter is applicable to the author appeared – Björn Alpermann, Xinjiang: China and the Uighurs – who, after evaluation of all available information arrives at the conclusion that it is not necessarily a genocide can speak, except, perhaps, in a figurative sense, a "suppression of the Uighur culture". The UN human rights Commissioner Michelle Bachelet (the very hard against Maduro's Venezuela, the procedure was) seems to be after her recent visit to China to the same conclusion came to be. She immediately became the victim of a vicious smear campaign by the international media, so that she stated that she will not accept the renewal of its mandate.) But nowadays, our media is talking more often of the Holodomor, i.e., the death by starvation of about 3 million Ukrainians between 1932 and 1933, and to write of Stalins clearly genocidal intentions, so to speak, as further evidence for the historical wickedness of the Russians against Ukrainians. In fact, in some European parliaments were introduced, including in Italy, amendments to the events of the time to be recognised in Ukraine as a genocide. To apply this theme to discuss, I support myself mainly to what Simone Oggionni, national Director of the cultural sector of "Articolo Uno", am 28. In may of this year, in his Blog, and then in the HuffPost has published. Oggionni has a remarkable book about Lucio Magri published, we are in a previous issue of our journal, Quaderni from the "forum alternativo" reported. Before we get into the main thing, you should probably remember that I knocked over in 1919, the repressive policies of the tsarist Russia, and various peoples, especially the Ukrainians, has granted in all areas of autonomy, which is why Putin as he is on 24. February, the beginning of military Aggression, said that Lenin as the main responsible for the Ukrainian Problem described. **What is genocide?** The term genocide is defined somewhat Accurate, and is not a Synonym for massacre or tragedy. In December 1948 the United Nations adopted the "Convention on the prevention and punishment of the crime of genocide" is defined in the genocide, the deliberate and conscious planning and implementation of the (full or partial) eradication of an ethnic, religious, or national group. It is not, therefore, possible social, or other mention of it, but it is clearly just an ethnic, religious or national. In the case of the Holodomor a genocide to talk to, so the conscious will of Stalin, millions of people as the Ukrainians to kill, to be demonstrated. How Oggionni and emphasized the "great famine of 1931 and 1933", the outside of the Ukraine, in Kazakhstan, to the Volga river Region, several hundred thousand victims called for, but undisputed. The great famine had a variety of causes. There were natural causes (typhus epidemics, droughts, etc.), but the famines were certainly also a result of Stalin's political decision to accelerate the forced collectivization of the rural areas, in particular, to the resources for the vast industrialization efforts of the Soviet Union to absorb the changes, among other things, the country with a rise in the Per capita GDP of 61 percent in the next ten years. According to Oggionni these famines were largely unforeseen consequence of the totalitarian application of Stalinist economic decisions, and also because they were a form of self-punishment for the global System. Starting in September of 1932, exacerbated Stalin the Situation, he struck indiscriminately on the kulaks, i.e., on the land owned by farmers and all who resisted collectivization, ends. In order to weaken your resistance, don't hesitate to Stalin, also shows one of the most violent pages of Stalinism, even the weapon of starvation against them. And the demographic data are clear: The majority of the deaths came on the land killed, much less in the cities, and regardless of the ethnic origin, or of the spoken language. If you are already of an intentional extermination of people want to speak, so this happened, so to speak, on the Basis of social Status, not on their religious, ethnic or national Basis, so that the term genocide in this case, is not the case. **The Russians as victims of genocide?** Oggionni points in order to expand the discourse, a fact about which we talked about in our magazine several times and I personally also in a speech in front of the Swiss national Council 15 years ago had pointed out. One of the feelings with which Putin justifies his neozaristische imperialist policy, the revanchist mood that prevails in a large part of the Russian people against the West, against the West, the guilty, "to have the us after the end of the Soviet Union destroyed". A similar sentiment prevailed in the German population by the unjust actions of Germany were imposed after its defeat in the First world war. This Frustration was later exploited by Hitler to come to Power. After the end of real socialism recognised, in particular, the world Bank and the IMF, with Yeltsin (the democratic Experiment by the bombing of the Duma, had) as a puppet to a sharp Transition to a market economy and capitalism, between 1991 and 2014 in the countries of real socialism excess mortality crisis, with an estimated 18 million dead-caused, of which 12 million in Russia – see "When Life Expectancy Is Falling: Mortality Crises in Post-Communist Countries in a Global Context". In Russia, the life expectancy of men fell in this period of about 7 years: an enormous tragedy of historical importance. Nevertheless, there is no reason to speak of a genocide against the Russians, but from the devastating effects of an economic policy directed against certain social groups (in parallel, the so-called oligarchies) originated Yes. As Simone Oggionni deciding, it's not a question of "provocative analogies to set up, it is simply a matter of record, that each of the (historical) phenomenon brings with it the need for appropriate, non-generalization and non-distorting definitions with". Otherwise, we run the risk of trivialising the real genocide, beginning with the Shoah, in a very dangerous way. https://www.nachdenkseiten.de/?p=90931

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TL;DR The Holodomor was a jew-induced catastrophic famine meant to genocide White Ukrainians.

for the lazy ones..

The great famine had a variety of causes. There were natural causes (typhus epidemics, droughts, etc.), but the famines were certainly also a result of Stalin's political decision to accelerate the forced collectivization of the rural areas, in particular, to the resources for the vast industrialization efforts of the Soviet Union to absorb the changes, among other things, the country with a rise in the Per capita GDP of 61 percent in the next ten years.

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but the famines were certainly also a result of Stalin's political decision

85% of Soviet Government Commissars Were jewish

https://poal.co/s/Truthhurts/593587

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Russian President Vladimir Putin said that at least 80 - 85 percent of the members of the first Soviet government were Jewish.

“I thought about something just now: The decision to nationalize this library was made by the first Soviet government, whose composition was 80-85 percent Jewish,” Putin said June 13 during a visit to Moscow’s Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center.

Putin was referencing the library of Rabbi Joseph I. Schneerson, the late leader of the Chabad-Lubavitch movement. The books, which are claimed by Chabad representatives in the United States, began being moved to the museum in Moscow this month.

According to the official transcription of Putin’s speech at the museum, he went on to say that the politicians on the predominantly Jewish Soviet government “were guided by false ideological considerations and supported the arrest and repression of Jews, Russian Orthodox Christians, Muslims and members of other faiths. They grouped everyone into the same category.

“Thankfully, those ideological goggles and faulty ideological perceptions collapsed. And today, we are essentially returning these books to the Jewish community with a happy smile.”

Widely seen as the first Soviet government, the Council of People’s Commissars was formed in 1917 and comprised 16 leaders, including chairman Vladimir Lenin, foreign affairs chief Leon Trotsky and Joseph Stalin, who was in charge of the People’s Commissariat of Nationalities.

https://forward.com/news/breaking-news/178906/first-soviet-government-was-80-jewish-says-putin/