Welcome • User Guide
ToS • Privacy • Canary
Donate • Bugs • License

©2024 Poal.co

556

In 2004 the Baltic States were granted NATO membership. This put NATO on Russia’s border, something that was promised to never happen. Jame Baker assured Russia they would not pursue moving NATO eastward during meetings after the Berlin Wall fell. This secured Russia’s support for a united Germany.

In 2014 the US backed a coup of the democratically elected government. The new government was pro-west and this immediately caused chaos in Crimea and Donbass. Understandably Russia was not happy. Ukraine furthered the insult to Russia by cutting off the fresh water supply to Crimea.

This history needs to be understood to cut through the Western bias of most news sources. The West cannot act like they are blameless in the Ukrainian conflict.

Jumping forward a bit, we see Putin emboldened by what he perceives a weakened state of Western Nations. When Biden took office he took steps that made America dependent foreign oil again. Biden stopping the XL Pipeline and killing federal drilling leases was a huge blow to American oil independence. Meanwhile Biden also gave the green light to the Nord Steam 2 pipeline. Weakening the West and giving strength to Putin (something Trump warned about (youtu.be))

Now Putin did guess wrong at the West’s response to his invasion. He had to have thought he had Germany by the balls and they would continue to buy his natural gas. Surprisingly Germany had other ideas. Putin also likely did not think Biden’s Administration would risk rising oil prices by making meaningful sanctions.

Where do we go from here?

It is a bad situation on all sides. The US should stay out of it. America has already sent Ukraine over $1 Billion dollars. Dollars that could be better used at home. America needs to focus on energy independence again. Higher oil prices benefit Russia and hurt the US economy. You have to ask why we are allowing that?

The question isn’t what we should do to Russia, the question is why should we care? We never should have gotten involved in 2014 or allowed NATO expansion in 2004. We created this mess and now we bitch about Russia responding. It’s just more NeoCon bullshit if you ask me.

Biden kills XL pipeline / drilling https://insideclimatenews.org/news/21012021/biden-cancels-keystone-xl-and-halts-arctic-drilling-fossil-fuels/

Ukraine $1 Billion https://www.state.gov/additional-military-assistance-for-ukraine/

Nord Stream 2 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674

US broke NATO promise https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-shifrinson-russia-us-nato-deal--20160530-snap-story.html

2014 Ukraine Coup https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-perpetrated-the-2014-coup-in-ukraine/

Crimea water supply https://euromaidanpress.com/2021/03/13/water-shortages-in-occupied-crimea-now-so-great-moscow-likely-to-step-up-pressure-on-kyiv-kazarin-says/

@Professor_de_la_Paz @stupidbird @Intrinsic @0K @LakotaPride

In 2004 the Baltic States were granted NATO membership. This put NATO on Russia’s border, something that was promised to never happen. Jame Baker assured Russia they would not pursue moving NATO eastward during meetings after the Berlin Wall fell. This secured Russia’s support for a united Germany. In 2014 the US backed a coup of the democratically elected government. The new government was pro-west and this immediately caused chaos in Crimea and Donbass. Understandably Russia was not happy. Ukraine furthered the insult to Russia by cutting off the fresh water supply to Crimea. This history needs to be understood to cut through the Western bias of most news sources. The West cannot act like they are blameless in the Ukrainian conflict. Jumping forward a bit, we see Putin emboldened by what he perceives a weakened state of Western Nations. When Biden took office he took steps that made America dependent foreign oil again. Biden stopping the XL Pipeline and killing federal drilling leases was a huge blow to American oil independence. Meanwhile Biden also gave the green light to the Nord Steam 2 pipeline. Weakening the West and giving strength to Putin ([something Trump warned about](https://youtu.be/OXqZf72pAhk)) Now Putin did guess wrong at the West’s response to his invasion. He had to have thought he had Germany by the balls and they would continue to buy his natural gas. Surprisingly Germany had other ideas. Putin also likely did not think Biden’s Administration would risk rising oil prices by making meaningful sanctions. Where do we go from here? It is a bad situation on all sides. The US should stay out of it. America has already sent Ukraine over $1 Billion dollars. Dollars that could be better used at home. America needs to focus on energy independence again. Higher oil prices benefit Russia and hurt the US economy. You have to ask why we are allowing that? The question isn’t what we should do to Russia, the question is why should we care? We never should have gotten involved in 2014 or allowed NATO expansion in 2004. We created this mess and now we bitch about Russia responding. It’s just more NeoCon bullshit if you ask me. Biden kills XL pipeline / drilling https://insideclimatenews.org/news/21012021/biden-cancels-keystone-xl-and-halts-arctic-drilling-fossil-fuels/ Ukraine $1 Billion https://www.state.gov/additional-military-assistance-for-ukraine/ Nord Stream 2 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674 US broke NATO promise https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-shifrinson-russia-us-nato-deal--20160530-snap-story.html 2014 Ukraine Coup https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-perpetrated-the-2014-coup-in-ukraine/ Crimea water supply https://euromaidanpress.com/2021/03/13/water-shortages-in-occupied-crimea-now-so-great-moscow-likely-to-step-up-pressure-on-kyiv-kazarin-says/ @Professor_de_la_Paz @stupidbird @Intrinsic @0K @LakotaPride

(post is archived)

You are currently inside a comment thread.
Click here to see all the comments (44).
[–] • 0 pt

Thanks.

I believe he wants Zelenskyy out and a pro-Russian government installed. He has destroyed the Dnieper dam allowing water to flow into Crimea again. I'm sure that was a goal all along.

He could have stopped at putting his forces on the border in Donetsk and Luhansk if securing those provinces were his only goal imo. He wants the Western influences out of Ukranie entirely and guarantees they will not be included in NATO and possibly the EU as well.

[–] • 1 pt

I believe he wants Zelenskyy out and a pro-Russian government installed. He has destroyed the Dnieper dam allowing water to flow into Crimea again. I'm sure that was a goal all along.

Yeah, I can agree with you on both of those points. A pro-west government (especially a puppet government) is bad for Russia. I didn't know about the dam, but that makes perfect sense.

He could have stopped at putting his forces on the border in Donetsk and Luhansk if securing those provinces were his only goal imo. He wants the Western influences out of Ukranie entirely and guarantees they will not be included in NATO and possibly the EU as well.

That's what confuses me. My thinking is that he felt he needed to go further, then agree to only take Donetsk and Luhansk as part of a peace agreement. He'd accept just those two instead of a larger swath of land.

Then again, I could be talking out of my ass.

[–] • 1 pt

then agree to only take Donetsk and Luhansk as part of a peace agreement.

Possible. I guess the two sides are sitting down for more talks, but I expect Russia to take Kiev to strengthen its bargaining position.

[–] • 1 pt

...but I expect Russia to take Kiev to strengthen its bargaining position.

Exactly. If they can, that is. They seem to be having some trouble.