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Of course you can't use those methods.

Exactly.

Meet a few fathers in a rural area. These fathers have teenage daughters.

Yes, good for them. Doesn't change jack fucking shit. The capacity for an idiot girl to be a fucking worthless subhuman whore doesn't change because she has a father. If anything, it makes the chances higher.

You're blackpilled about direct confrontation, it seems, so this might be a better approach.

Taking a different approach to the same girl doesn't change the girl, merely the outward appearance.

In the past, girls in their 20s would even be prime for arranged marriage by her father.

Right.

BitchIWillNotName proved that to me over the last few days. Sadly, this option is mostly closed for now.

At least you learned something.

If you want a family, do anything necessary.

And why would one want a family knowing the future? To damn another soul to an even worse Hell? So that you, your wife, and your child can all be tortured in the same room together rather than evading capture as a lone wolf? So that your whole family can die of starvation quicker than if you were able to strike out on your own? Or maybe it's the grand opportunity to ride to the gulag together, only for the jewish rats to welcome you all by raping your wife while you're made to watch.

Their minds are that twisted, the world is that fucked. All of you preach about "muh White birthrates" and yet never address the fact that you cannot outpace those of the non-Whites. You're just sending innocent souls to Hell on Earth.

Angry? Me too.

It's not enough to be angry.

Section 8 isn't an off the grid program.

Too bad for them I guess.

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You guys, I'm loving this discussion. You both are making good points, and this is why I come to poal.

Phantom42-1 said

>"Implying Whites should have to leave the societies, technology, and grand accomplishments they built."

Do not underestimate him. It took me living off grid to really appreciate our grid. The scale, availability, and affordability of energy and resources is beyond measure. It costs tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to achieve 1/50th of what the average person uses in utilities. And instead of $100-$500 per month, you need $250,000 in infrastructure.

This achievement is not to be understated.

Living off grid is a way forward, but most of your efforts and resources go into replicating the grid. This will put us at a disadvantage competing with those leveraging the infrastructure WE INVENTED AND WE BUILT.

Why start over?

I'll respond more later. But great discussion.

I'm getting a kick out of this thread too. As for off grid, I'm on five acres in the Blue Ridge Mountains with zero neighbors, perfectly set up with my wife for off grid but for reasons you stated, will remain in grid and in society. Folks here are like minded, and sensible young ladies are abundant for sensible young men. But 'some' people seem to believe that most young women are too imperfect for their tastes, leaving them unhappy and the women wondering what the hell happened to men. This isn't really about women. They're still out there. I snagged a good one 25 years ago and have no regrets or second thoughts. One might complain that that was way back then, but way back then we said the same thing, suffering from the same delusion as 'some' young, frustrated men do today.

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Good for you! We need more like you. Hope you and your wife do well.

Well to start I'm glad you and @wakethepoalcoal are enjoying yourselves. If nothing is learned at least there's value in the entertainment of watching a kid bitch about the world online.

But 'some' people

Couldn't imagine who.

➡️➡️➡️➡️ Phantom42-1 ⬅️⬅️⬅️⬅️

seem to believe that most young women are too imperfect for their tastes

Fit, ideally blonde, virgin... And not a bitch 100% of the time. I can live with a bit of sass because it opens the opportunity for wrestling around a bit or being a smartass right back. All in good fun, of course.

Yet here we are. Morally compromised whores that will lie through their teeth to make you believe they're God's angels. I have better things to do than waste my time chasing idiot girls.

leaving them unhappy

Happiness is not the most important thing in life.

This isn't really about women.

It is.

They're still out there.

And there I was thinking that our population was 100% male, which is causing the transgender epidemic because nobody has seen a woman since WWII and we're all grown in vats... Well, guess I'm wrong.

I snagged a good one 25 years ago and have no regrets or second thoughts.

Well done. You accomplished that before I was even alive.

One might complain that that was way back then

That was way back then. Waah waah waah, bitch bitch bitch, gripe gripe gripe... You know the rest.

but way back then we said the same thing

Because it was the late 80's or the 90's and the sexual revolution had already taken place in the 60's with the feminist movement destroying society even further back. As time passes, the statistical likelihood of success in finding an actual woman grows smaller and smaller with each passing day. In your time your odds were better. In mine, they are negligible. It is better to be married to a rifle than a woman.

suffering from the same delusion

If a delusion is repeated by many there is usually a core reason why the delusion is believed in the first place. Take the qultists for example. They know society is fucked, but they flocked to their new god and took on a delusionary stance. At the core, their hearts are in the right place. Their gut feeling told them something was wrong and they were right for following it. Their minds however are completely lost and may not be saved.

So sit and think of those "delusions" of young men really are delusions or if perhaps there's something you aren't paying attention to.

'some'

Man I'm having a hard time figuring out who you're referring to here with the half-quotes and all...

@Phantom42-1

frustrated men do today

It's past frustration, friend. Long past.

Let's make this simple.

>And why would one want a family knowing the future? To damn another soul to an even worse Hell? So that you, your wife, and your child can all be tortured in the same room together rather than evading capture as a lone wolf? So that your whole family can die of starvation quicker than if you were able to strike out on your own? Or maybe it's the grand opportunity to ride to the gulag together, only for the jewish rats to welcome you all by raping your wife while you're made to watch.

I suspect this is just a start. List all your concerns with starting a family. If I or another bear can't cook up a plan that reasonably circumvents these concerns, I will admit total defeat on this issue. Hit me with your best shots. Let's do this.

If I or another bear can't cook up a plan that reasonably circumvents these concerns, I will admit total defeat on this issue.

It isn't about me or getting one to admit defeat. It's about understanding reality as it is.

Hit me with your best shots.

Those don't come in words.

Anyhow, I'll answer you. It won't accomplish anything, but you asked. This is in no particular order, and is omitting generally what I've said above.

For starters, bloodline. White as I may be and Germanic as my face looks, I do carry Cherokee blood, which would be considered by the general population of our circles as non-White blood. I challenge that assertion with newer studies displaying eastern coast tribes come from the Mediterranean and perhaps even Ireland (colonists found red-haired and fair skinned Indians), but this is new info and could very well be wrong. If it is, I have non-White blood and reproduction is out of the question. If it isn't, then the initial concern is unfounded.

Then there is the personal aspect. Despite numerous attempts, I didn't have any luck. Clumsy approaches, imperfect timing, little mistakes. I figured it was best to simply stop trying. By college, I had already resigned myself to staying "in the background". I'd make no effort unless there was a damn good reason to do so. No reason came up, and over time I found myself caring less and less as I learned more. By freshman year of college I was firmly redpilled and held, as I do now, a National Socialist point of view. With the redpills came "the woman question" and the more I read the more I began to understand exactly how dire the situation truly was, recalling personal experiences from time to time that supported every claim made against the inferior sex.

Am I an incel? Not at all. Hell, if we look at the original meaning which is "involuntarily celibate" then certainly not. I've had opportunities to do things, and I said no. Likely the only one who did. It's because I know I'm better than that.

But that doesn't remove the fact that I am approaching 22 and practically have zero experience in these matters. Soon, I think, I'll be going into pharmacy school, and I'll be far too busy taking care of that day in and day out to have time to give a single flying fuck about some random girl should one even catch my eye, which is unlikely. After that, I'll be returning to my hometown or that general area and work until interesting times are upon us or I die. It's a poor area, and the only people that live there are Boomers, 30+yo's, and kids. Not a place you just bump into a nice gal around my age.

Summing it up, the way life itself is set up, which is the way I planned it, does not leave opportunity for any of that idiocy. Undergrad was really the last chance to accomplish anything related to the lovey bullshit, and nothing happened. Nothing will in these final months. I know too much about how the modern "woman" my age works and it disgusts me, particularly those that go to college.

In another time before mine I probably would've had a family, but that's not how life works. You can't have it all.

And of course there are problems with myself that I'd have to address. I'm far from a saint. Anger issues, a general disposition toward not being 100% positive 24/7 like everyone on this fucking planet expects, and a childhood that has left its marks. I learned quickly to kill any emotion that might present itself, or smother it under stronger ones. Poker face game is strong.

So... Bloodline, personal aspects, general disposition, knowing too much about a rigged game...

Covers it enough without bitching too much. I could go on and on but it does nothing, doesn't matter, and anymore just feels like playing a broken record. Not worth the time.

At any rate, there will not be a family of my own. Things have fallen too far and war is just around the corner, where I will surely die. I have no real intention of making it out alive. I might, and if I do then I suppose that's fine, but the nature of the war coming will see massive destruction that will see WWII considered by historians as a small skirmish if any are left.

I'm just waiting on God to come back, though he has no real reason to, or to die and move on to Heaven where God might understand, remember I'm Saved, and let me hang out in the little corner of Heaven nobody goes to. Best if I'm not around others too long. Which I guess is why I have a habit of disappearing on people... Better that way.

Sorry about the late reply, food poisoning is a bitch.

>If it is, I have non-White blood and reproduction is out of the question.

Most "Whites" have varying degrees of this crisis. The fact of the matter is, the first phase of the Kalgeri Plan was massively successful. They made Whites with pure ethnicities mix these unique and timeless ethnicities into a single mixed White race. Angry? Me too. However, that is done and we are White. If Whites' enemies do not make a distinction in their pursuit to destroy Whiteness, can Whites? You are White, not 989/1000 German, 1/100 Cherokee, and 1/1000 other. It would be ideal if we could still refer to one another as a Scotsman or Frenchman of pure stock, but this was taken from us and isn't coming back. If this doesn't convince you, feel free to claim victory here and now.

>With the redpills came "the woman question" and the more I read the more I began to understand exactly how dire the situation truly was, recalling personal experiences from time to time that supported every claim made against the inferior sex

>With the redpills came "the woman question" and the more I read the more I began to understand exactly how dire the situation truly was, recalling personal experiences from time to time that supported every claim made against the inferior sex

>I know too much about how the modern "woman" my age works and it disgusts me, particularly those that go to college

You're only 22, and you already know this much about the rigged game. That's very impressive. You won't be one of the half or so of men who learn that lesson during divorce. Everything I've seen points to the same conclusion. Only men are capable of true spousal love. Women are not, although they will never shut the fuck up about the "love" the MSM force-feeds them. Good job, anon. Believe it or not, I was expecting this in your list.

> war is just around the corner

Panem et circenses will ensure that the system drags on for a long, long time. Even though you're 22, the admittedly inevitable event most definitely won't be in either of our lifetimes. The corn syrup and porn would need to stop. They won't. I wouldn't put all my apples in the solar flare basket either.

>I'm far from a saint. Anger issues, a general disposition toward not being 100% positive 24/7 like everyone on this fucking planet expects, and a childhood that has left its marks. I learned quickly to kill any emotion that might present itself, or smother it under stronger ones. Poker face game is strong.

This alone makes you high-risk in the modern marriage and divorce landscape. Now, let's get to the actual plan that was promised. The plan will need to bypass the objectively terrible modern divorce industry and your own inability to sink deep trust into modern women.

Make the big bucks. That's the start. Run with that PharmD (following the Pence Rule, of course). Save that money. Women (mostly post-wall) will want you, but you'll not fall into that. Instead, look into the price of Indian surrogates and healthy German ova. A buddy of a buddy of a buddy got triplets, all blond male heirs, for about $40k using this method. He bought the surrogate, bought the in-vitro and ova, and got his family out of it. Being foreign, the surrogate cannot claim any custody, at all. After he got the kids, he moved to a state without (((common-law marriage))) and hired nannies to care for the infants until his sons were old enough to delegate among themselves under his masculine guidance and homeschooling. He replaced the nannies if they got even a little pissy or feminist. He will never pay child support or lose his sons in divorce court. He raises his family in a rural area off paved roads to prevent media poisoning. I think this can all work for you. No trust in women is required. The Indian surrogacy agency will make sure she's far away as fuck from any drugs or alcohol (she will probably still shit in the street). How does this plan sound? If this doesn't convince you, feel free to claim victory here and now.

Of course, there will always be bullshit that nothing can prepare for. There is a chance that a Ruby Ridge happens, a meteorite smashes your family, childhood cancer strikes, or any other unlucky shit happens, but that would happen in literally every plan. For the last time, if this doesn't convince you, feel free to claim victory here and now. I hope this at least interests you.