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Ultimately women are the ones holding the makeup brush. Men’s opinions on the subject are only as important as men’s reproductive usefulness to women.

Except it's not, that's introspection. You are looking at men's opinions from your own point of view from the outside in. Women, all women only remake themselves in an image of what is attractive to men at the time. It is why fashion is cyclical because men don't want to date their mothers. Why do you think women spend so much time on cosmetics, makeup, clothes, to appeal to men, of course, to stand out and get picked up from the crowd.

25 years ago men were clamoring for fake tits and playboys, no-fault divorce, legalized prostitution, “don’t be frigid”, and for housewives to get “real jobs.” Apparently, you’re not liking how that turned out goy.

No man that wants a wife and family wants this, you have been brainwashed by the Jew. None of the old dudes clamoring for fake tits, tramp stamps, and easy sluts settled.

Take a look at what was considered objectively attractive by the decade which shaped fashion trends.

Women's body image and BMI (rehabs.com):

50s were hourglass figures, 60s skinny, 80s athletic, 90s body positive movement (weimar 2.0), 00s lesbianism and junkie look (weimar 2.1), 10s Fat mixed race, low IQ slobs covered in tats or Islamic (weimar 2.2)

I think you're fickle. You don't know what you want.

We know exactly what we want and are all telling you the same thing. We want traditional conservative values, we want a woman as close to traditional wives as is possible. Wear heels, dresses, lipstick, nail polish whatever the fuck you want. But no more fake (tits, attitudes, cosmetic surgery, degenerate piercings on your labia, bleached assholes, tattoos on your chest, neck, abdomen, ass, etc)

R1b’s don’t have the luxury to fuss over eyebrows

The woman on the right from the OP looks R1b (files.catbox.moe), didn't you just going on some micro tirade about airblading and tattooing eyebrows because it's fashionable and everyone does it now?

Then we are telling you it looks fucked, so you double down and proclaim we know what men want and it doesn't matter what men want.

White men fucked up. I don't know you but I'm probably smarter than you and it looks like goys need all the help they can get. So offer declined, stow the seventies boomer tropes. Maybe the problem isn't just white women, is it?

Live however you want, we need to cut the wheat from the chaff and if your hell bent on being a cum rag or getting knocked up by spics, niggers or entering a contract with a mudlime, just do it.

The loose affiliation of like-minded individuals often refered to as the alt-right is primarily made up of men, by and large, so men are not the ones letting down white identity and a white future.

So offer declined, stow the seventies boomer tropes.

Why are all the women on poal/voat all head cases? I wasn't hitting on you, your probably late 30s, blown out, tired, with dry hair and a fucked butterfly tattoo on your wrists and some foreign inscription in arabic or chinese on your ankle.

Also what is wrong with wanting traditional values and traditional gender roles? Like the expectation that people should adhere to the roles is derisive? Seventies boomer tropes, pathetic trying to use that as an insult.

It is important to understand that increasing feminism has decreased the overall life satisfaction for all women in first-world nations (nber.org) for the last 35years.

I dont know you but Im probably smarter than you and it looks like goys need all the help they can get.

Whilst you make yourself in the image (((marketing))) tells you, whilst failing to achieve your goals of being a wife and motherhood for another year. She screams it was all the men that were wrong!

I have several diplomas and my highest academic achievement presently is a Masters. Sex and IQ comparative analysis (pennswordtwo.com), rather presumptuous of you, almost narcissistic to make such a bold statement. Almost Jewish levels of hubris.

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Women, all women only remake themselves in an image of what is attractive to men at the time.

I disagree, but I would say that this is largely true. Women largely remake themselves in order to make themselves sexually attractive to men. Its a big biological motivator.

So what? How is that in conflict with this statement:

Men’s opinions on the subject are only as important as men’s reproductive usefulness to women.

It isnt. Were you trying to refute my statement? Cause it didnt happen.

Why do you think women spend so much time on cosmetics, makeup, clothes, to appeal to men, of course, to stand out and get picked up from the crowd.

There are other reasons besides sex. Prestige. Trying to look more competent/healthy/wealthy. Why do some men dress up in expensive suits for work? To impress a boss or client? Or to suck their dick? Its not always about getting laid. Not directly anyway.

No man that wants a wife and family wants this,

Men wanted to play the field in their 20s, get the milk without buying the cow. And then eventually buy some cow or other. And then divorce the cow if she was too boring or fat. Or fuck the secretary. Because they couldnt stand to be “tied down”.

And women who wouldnt get a job were just lazy and selfish.

Men had it all. And they threw it all away. Because they didnt want to be tied to the old ball and chain.

Hardly any men at all were saying women need to stay home and be chaste and stay virgins topill marriage. God forbid a man should stay chaste till marriage. I was a kid in the 70s and 80s. Zero men were saying “We need to get back to traditional sexuality”. Zero, except for a handfull of fundie preachers. I would have remembered.

Young guys on this site that advocate monogamy and no fap? They werent around. If you were a girl that didnt put out, guys mocked you. If you are too young to remember ask an old dude.

why fashion is cyclical

So jews can sell you an entirely new wardrobe every 5 years. Duh. You thought they did that so you wouldnt have to think about your mom when you fucked your wife? Adorable.

Take a look at what was considered objectively attractive

No such thing. There are trends in opinion.

We want traditional conservative values, we want a woman as close to traditional wives as is possible.

There were literally no white men saying this 25 years ago. Except the amish. Every guy wanted a playboy playmate. There still are not that many white guys clamoring for trads today. But it is a new phenomenon in the last decade or two. During the second half of the 20th century most men did not want that. If the did they were sure quiet about it. Guys were totally jewed when it was working in their favor.

The woman on the right from the OP looks R1b,

It doesnt look like she has a y chromosome at all. I have a sense about these things! R1b is a y chromosome. Its going to go extinct if you keep pushing this mgtow line.

Live however you want, we need to cut the wheat from the chaff and if your hell bent on being a cum rag or getting knocked up by spics, niggers or entering a contract with a mudlime, just do it....Also what is wrong with wanting traditional values and traditional gender roles?

Nothing. I believe in traditional values. But you need to educate yourself on the decline of western morality. They undermined the family by enticing men with easy sex, by undermining christian morality. They convinced MEN to play the field.

Why are all the women on poal/voat all head cases? I wasn't hitting on you,

You’re a head case. I didn’t think you were hitting on me. I refer to the suggestion that I shut up and get in the kitchen— offer declined.

It is important to understand that increasing feminism has decreased the overall life satisfaction for all women in first-world nations for the last 35years.

I understand it. Im it’s biggest critic. Its been worse on men though clearly.

Whilst you make yourself in the image (((marketing))) tells you, whilst failing to achieve your goals of being a wife and motherhood for another year.

I do? I have? What do you know about me? Nothing clearly.

I have several diplomas and my highest academic achievement presently is a Masters

Lots of jew certificates. Nice. So do I. Irrelevant.

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The woman on the right from the OP looks R1b,

It doesnt look like she has a y chromosome at all. I have a sense about these things! R1b is a y chromosome. Its going to go extinct if you keep pushing this mgtow line.

European populations fall into the following main haplogroups: E, G, I, J, N and R expressed on mtDNA. R1b is on a Y chromosome expression for fraternal lineage as you say. Women expressing only XX chromosome would still have a father and mtDNA mitochondrial is not exclusive to males or females. It is not maternally passed on X chromosome showing R gene expression for mesolithic re-expansions and the Neolithic era demic diffusion of ethnic subgroups. It can be passed from father to daughter as women can only contribute XX and men determine the sex of the child by either passing X or Y.

But genetic history is traced either maternally or fraternally.

Although paternal (mother and father) haplogroups in this study are based/traced on the Y chromosome, which is only passed from a father to his sons. Females do not have this paternal haplogroup because they do not inherit Y chromosomes but can inherit mtDNA.

Unless of course if your saying fathers can't pass on their ethnicity to daughters? That would be dumb.

It's big brain time now Helena.

The woman on the right (languagesoftheworld.info) looks as if she is from parentage that would have expressed R1b (even if she doesn't have a dick ffs)

Then again maybe you're implying her father is white and she's a nigger? Maybe Irish daughters born to an Irish father and Irish mother are secretly and miraculously another race?

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European populations fall into the following main haplogroups: E, G, I, J, N and R expressed on mtDNA. ...the sex of the child by either passing X or Y.

I know how it works. I wonder why you are telling me this. You flubbed and and said that she looked like an R1b. I assume you understand that’s impossible. Not sure what youre talking about when you say “it can be passed from father to daughter”, not R1b.

I don’t need a genetics lesson. The point was R1b will go extinct. Not the mtDNA haplotypes of europe. E1a/E1b has all but replaced A and B y haplotypes in africa. R1b has replaced indigenous y haplotypes in S. America. The mtDNA groups still survive in those places. If you’re throwing around Cavalli Sforza terms then you know this story is as old as the hills. The european male is in jeopardy of being cucked on a genocidal level. I am not in favor of that.