Yes.
Even If I was unbanned now I don't think I could go back to voat, too much trust has been breached.
I turned a blind eye to the (((Investor))) and the dead canary for a long time because I genuinely got along with Putt but it seems like a small group of powerusers I mean "Builders" now have enough sway to get people banned for disagreeing with them, framing them for "voat manipulation", and not even giving them a chance to defend ourselves.
a small group of powerusers I mean "Builders" now have enough sway to get people banned for disagreeing with them, framing them for "voat manipulation", and not even giving them a chance to defend ourselves.
This is exactly why I think Voat is dead. You can see the ground work being done to replace the QRV mods. It will be a full Reddit takeover.
See I think you guys are focusing too much on the free speech issue. This web site is actually more heavily censored, but the difference comes from the fact that it's better administered. I think that in Voat, not only was it undercensored, but more critically it was administered without any great skill.
What's the dead canary thing about? I missed that.
Most canarys are framed in the present tense "if you can read this we have not received a warrant" or timed, like poals a monthly "as of this month we have never received a warrant"
Voat is a past tense "as of [random date] we have not received a canary" The only problem is, you never know if they don't have a current warrant because the canary is not updated regularly, just whenever putt feels like it. The only time you kinda know voat is safe is right when he posts a canary update. Well, the last time the canary was updated, as a reply putt said something along the lines of 'that might be the last time I can update the canary' and then latter sticky posts about the feds being interested in the site because of certain posts in certain subs crossing lines.
So even though there is a canary from ~ 2 months ago saying that no warrant was ever received BEFORE that point, their is zero way to know about the current status.
meanwhile on poal you can click the canary link every month and know you are safe with the monthly canary post. when the monthly posts stop you know the site is comped, which is the point of a canary.
with putts, 'I'll update the canary whenever I feel like updating it' attitude it doesn't serve the purpose it is supposed to. In fact, you get lulled into a false sense of security because since putt says it was safe in the past, and the out dated canary technically still exists it makes the site look like it is currently safe, which is far from the truth because putt has indicated all votes are logged, and all the anonymous stuff isn't anonymous behind the scenes AND the feds have expressed interest and the canary HASN'T been updated after putt mentioned the fed interest.
Thanks for this explanation - i was oblivious of the whole canary thing.
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