> It looks like it's going below the horizon because that's how perspective works. https://www.bitchute.com/video/HR06nVrAQuPW/ (4:36) https://www.bitchute.com/video/qOk1Ea20wY8a/ BULL SHIT. It looks like it's going below the horizon BECAUSE IT IS, from bottom to top, EXACTLY as you would expect on a spherical Earth. Funny how you "Looks flat to me!" flattards go out of your way to deny what your basic senses are telling you as the sun sets below the horizon. If it was a flat plane, at no point would the bottom of the sun be invisible -- there's always a direct line of sight. And there's absolutely no way it would just drop below the horizon, from bottom to top, staying the same size -- it would shrink and shrink into the distance. But that's not what it does, because we don't live on a "flat Earth". That first video you link to claims there is a "cloud horizon". Oh, really? So you couldn't find a non-cloudy day to see the sun setting on the ocean? Of course you could. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. You 'tards always make cherry-picking excuses that don't hold water. And the part at 4:36 shows two different setups. The one at the left shows the line dropping down at an extreme angle below the "horizon", whereas the one on the right shows the line in a classic planar fashion. This is the typical kind of dishonesty flattards use to bolster there ridiculous positions. > Sounds like you are in denial. I was there too, at first. https://youtu.be/5p7CSpC1jCo Well that's rich, coming from a flattard monkey that denies basic video of the sun dropping below the horizon. Owen Benjamin is a moron that started out on Moon hoax theory, got lambasted by his smarter followers, and then decided to go full crazy down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole all the way to flat Earth. Truly rock bottom. Instead of talking about wind currents, why doesn't he ask why flattards can't properly explain the setting sun, or the movement of the stars overhead? > If I find a video showing stars coming back when zooming in, I'll share. You could just try it for yourself. > Can you believe that Youtube has been censoring flat earth videos and channels? Yes, I can believe it. They're a bunch of censorious fucktards. They went down the path of "authoritative" information, and hold themselves as gatekeepers, because the leftist establishment pushed them that way, and they are controlled by leftists now. That's why we're on BitChute and Poal. > Do you want to go over any other points? I gave you a point-by-point reply to your last point, and you ignored all of it except for the sun. You especially ignored the point about the mast of the tall boat being visible, but not the body, in one video. And before you whiplash your neck telling me that's what's expected in a flat Earth, remember that you started out showing videos where boats appear normal as you zoom in. You can't keep your positions straight because you're denying basic reality. > Or are you convince the earth is a globe because of the way the sun sets and the way the stars move? Why wouldn't that be enough? It's such basic phenomena you'd be a fool to ignore it. But that's not all I have -- I only chose those as my main thrust because they are the basic evidence writ large on the sky that any flattard can verify for themselves, and requires very little thinking beyond basic line of sight and geometry. If you deny those then it's not worth moving on to other topics. I gave a wide range of evidence in the thread I originally pointed you to: First, there's the giant conspiracy angle: "I would weight that against the alternative: that's there's a centuries-old, worldwide conspiracy by mapmakers, ship navigators, airline navigators, space agencies, satellite companies, private rocket firms, etc., all to convince the public that the Earth is round... for some reason. And then I would look for alternative explanations to those "flat Earth" examples." And then there's the basic stuff we use a spherical mode of the Earth for: "We can explain the seasons, we can explain the path of the sun, we can predict solar and lunar eclipses with exquisite accuracy. And we don't have to believe in some giant 'tard conspiracy that predicts NOTHING. Nobody uses flattard models to navigate or do anything of the things I mentioned."