>But poal would better if we had black people and jews and fags and what the fuck ever else and it were just an open forum where hating certain groups was not central to what the website is. Let me offer a correction here. We *would be better off* if there were fags and jews here - with that I agree, IN THEORY, in a world where these groups *wanted* the conversation to take place. But *not because* their behaviors/beliefs would enrich us, in and of themselves. Simply, it would be important to have open dialogues with these people where we could voice our concerns and criticisms of them, where our critical modes wouldn't be censored, and where we could expect some honest responses. The problem is we cannot do that. Why? Because Jews won't tolerate that sort of critique. Point blank. A priori. No questions asked. They will criticize us freely, and also encourage other racial groups to criticize us (while simultaneously being shielded from the same critique). Therefore, the very spirit and culture of conversation you are suggesting is not possible - this *is the reason* why we are here. We were systematically shunned from the 'wider discourse' you are talking about, and anywhere that we went we found shuttered windows and doors telling us that *we were hated*. So you *need to be corrected*. Our hate didn't begin as hatred. It began as reasonable questions, concerns, and critique of real-world phenomena. It was made into hatred as our voices were silenced everywhere, and the very same blacks and jews you sympathize with continued to escalate their critique of white Europeans. You've got your logic backward. We're here because those groups pushed *us here*. You act as though we never attempted to approach the public arena with a polite and rational attitude. We did. Over and over again. Yet those poor blacks and jews saw to it that *we were run out of the open spaces*.