> But this is precisely what you are doing. Your own prescription of rugged libertarianism is a commitment to an idea, and to an authority, namely, to yourself. I wonder why you think that millions of people obeying their own scattered authority stand any chance against an ethnically cohesive enemy which is high in social trust and united by a common belief? Who is the crazy believer here? You give (((them))) way too much credit; do not impose your beliefs on me that there is this ethnically cohseive enemy so high in social trust and united by a common belief.... I see no such evidence. I see a culturally mixed bag of sandniggers & sellout Europeans who've been subjected to the abusive cult behavior just as much as we have been; I see a fractured network of mafia cartels and muderous thugs who occassionally collaborate with one another to pillage and exploit; to perpetuate racketeering operations which ultimately are made possible by the selfish albeit unsuspecting victims of those 'not chosen'. Let them have their 'victims' - you and I already know their game, let's simply remove ourselves from it and carry on with the next civilization. Fear of the repurcussions is irrational and a form of idolotry in itself, perhaps cowadace even. The longer you literally 'buy into' their game; this taxation/usery/money and cult idolotry system the more power they gain. If you create a new 'state' based on the same foundations they will as the saying goes; eventually dumb you down to their level and beat you with experience. > Your own prescription of rugged libertarianism is a commitment to an idea, and to an authority, namely, to yourself. Then so be it. If you don't agree with my intent to live based on providing for my needs & do not respect the individual authority for which I wish to retain 100% then you may attempt to capture me and nail me to a cross. Do as you may, or try. You are no different than Karen asking me to wear a mask. Just because you 'believe' in some invisible thing that evidently gives you authority to exert authority over me does not make it OK. You and Karen are the fucking problem. 'yourself' is the most fundamental 'state' is it not? Why must you insist on inflating authority beyond that. That is when things become imbalanced and now we have clown world. > Your American culture has been largely individualized for a century, and it has been commensurate with complete cultural collapse and granulation. Do not blame me for cultural collapse - I didn't build it. I appreciate when a peaceful culture is able to provide nice things - like a respectful environment that encourages healthy families and robust economy - but I also have no attachment to things I didn't necessarily build; as such the idol of "Amercia" can collapse and I will not be sad. To be sad or to feel bad about the collapse of an idol system that I didn't even sign up to would be selfish since again I took no part; I deserve no free gibs. Maybe it would be different if my ancestral line had a specific notion to maintain "America" but we were either corrupted or it just wasn't a big priority for them; so now I am more inclined to think of alternatives and a "New America" like the old one does not seem like the way to go - as tempting as that is. > Money becomes something that stores energy - to put it properly, money represents a stored quantity of other people's energy. this is fucking cult idolotry man. You admit to belief in these imaginary units which apparently have 'energy'. The only energy they have is your selfish belief in them. Again at the cost of your own personal authority (and the safety of those others who share your ecosystem - who may now be subjected to the newfound 'power' gained by the idol for which you have subscribed). Rather than demand payment in real goods that can provide for you a better life now you demand it in imaginary units that are subject to the control of the idol who claims authority over said imagaunits and as such the value of what you recieve is taxed before it even enters your hands. Then as it sits in a digital account it is subjected to constant manipulation indirectly (or directly, if you chose to place it in the hands of another idol ie- a 'bank') by those who you allow to define the value of your imagaunit. > They are all able to do this because they can trust that the others and that trust is the attack surface for (((the enemy))) to exploit. Trust, sure - but unchecked, unmaintained trust is again idolotry and you will be burned; how many times do you have to be lied to and screwed over before you start to realize this notion of a system of infinite trust is impossible ? Stop trusting external authorities who (((offer))) you nice things and instead yes - trust your neighbour - who you can see and enage in commerce in person, for real goods. Do you see how one model is better than the other? The promise of (((money))) is no different to that of the promise of communism. Both are systems that promise a paradise but the reality is different; so is the historical record as you point out. Let's stop the insanity. You may fantasize about a high tech world with sharks with laser beams on their heads and flying cars but that fantasy is your 'belief' - I not longer am a child and wish not to fantasize anylonger; it is time to simply live in balance with nature for it is the imbalances and 'fantasies' that are killing us. > Growing crops is going to trap him into the cycle of nature, and take up his time. You mean like, trapped in the cycle of nature that is our world ? It doesn't matter if Paul makes a billion bow and arrows, he is not going to excape the cycle of nature unless he builds a portal to another dimension. If Paul is frustrated I might suggest he simply takes a little more pride in his crop growing and puts the fruits of his labour into even more valualbe things like the family he can sustain with that effort (instead of gambling it on a bow and arrow manufacturing deal; unless of course his crop biz gets so wildly successful that it is not necessarily a gamble to experiment). > If, however, Paul has amassed some money, he can afford to devote himself to the gamble of possibly creating something very valuable. Now you are selling me on the degenerate act of gambling and all the fantastical things one can do with money; please spare me. I am not going to sit through your MLM pitch on why I must use your latest innovation here - sorry its a tool of usery & military industrialists; you are fool for particpating in their system or for relinquishing 'your energy' into such things. > money stores its value indefinitely, again, who is doing the proclaiming now. This is a fallacy. you have indefinite value until the day you die so maybe better to provide for yourself with tangible fruits that provide for your phyiscal well being instead of relying on stagnat dead items that will only burden you on your path to death. > At harvest time, you'd idolize crops. In winter, you'd idolize deer meat and hides. Food has been a substantial means of manipulating entire societies in the past. Look at Communist China or Bolshevik Russia. indeed, and this is why they are preparing the masses for the next stages of idolory which will be based on control of food supply (the new currency). we are in the final stages of collapse of the idol unit that is money and they know this so they seem to be busy preparing the next stage which will of course just be a new idolotry system, but one which forces those of us who wish to reject their authority to participate. I wouldn't call the desire for a basic human need such as food idolotry - perhaps if you consumed more than you needed it could be called that but otherwise this again falls within the realm of one's individual needs; one's own individual right to authority over their immediate ecosystem to sustain their needs. At harvest time, you don't idolize - you do what you need to do to survive; ini the winter you don't idolize you hunt for what you need. The excess you can choose to perserve, share with others or selfishly indulge into for yourself beyond what you need at the time but again to your own peril - such is the cycle of nature we cannnot escape. > What is going to cause people to trust one another's word, or that your neighbor isn't out to stiff you, or that they are actually even your friend? You can't pick your family but you can pick your friends. If you don't trust your neighbors you don't have to engage with them - if all your neighbors are untrustworhty (idol worshippers) it might be a sign to find a new homeland; you point out the rightful problem - if you live in a village of 48 others who are so quick to giveaway authority you maybe living in the wrong village. Seeking not to 'unify' with people like that, hence trolling Poal for more 'enlightened' like yourself and I mean that sincerely - the fact we can have a conversaion about these things implies cooperation which is obviously first step to unity. I would question the stability of maintinaing community with you however, since you are going to invite idolorty into the picture; the very cause of our problem today.