We both know there is no 'real communism' it is just a racketeering mafia monopoly operation with the promise of eventaul 'equality' to playcate those not in the inner circle. And even if you buy up the paradise promise of 'real communism' it still implies taking from another - giving to another. That's not what I implied at all. I am all for a free market. As such, you are free to use your idolotry units all you like. What I am simply suggesting is that if you do, I wish to not enage or do commerce with you. Because you evidently insist on making our ecoystem less secure; by usuing imaginary units which is to encourage cult idolotry ( mass belief in invisible things) and its logical conclusions ('real communism' ie- the Soviet/Isreali/CCP we are being subjected to today ). > Humans create states, this is just reality. > You have a complete misunderstanding of how power works and human nature. No I have come to a more complete understanding than ever, and this is why I am concluding on the rejection of giving away of authority - if we all did that (and rejected engaging with those who don't) we might attain a safer ecosystem that by definition is protected against selfish human nature and the aggregation of power it trends to; which then becomes a threat to our existence; fueled only by idoloty cult believers who selfishly give away their own indiviidual authority. I'm also not implying or suggesting to 'solve human nature' by somehow conquering the masses & rising up to create a state; but by distancing ourselves from the cult believers we could certainly acheive a kind of 'state' ie- the kind of safer ecosystem I am implying here. A gun is a useful tool if used for self defense ie- protecting ones own authority from the selfish advances of another who would seek you harm (ie- crossing a very obvious line of individual authority) - or to protect against one seeking to capture your submission to outside authority by force/intimidiation - which would typically be in the form an idol believer in uniform who has given away his authority to a 'higher up' who has issued the command (who now has exponential authority to exert; see how the idol worshipper here is the crux of the problem - the boss has no foot soliders if they reject his 'authority'). Here we see the gun is also of course a dangerous tool in the hands of a cult idolotist. Such a person is not even 'in their own mind' they are in the mind of their boss; ie- Lenin. A 'state' is an even more dangerous place to command arms since again it represents aggregated power of the many - nevermind that the very idol those many assumed was trustworthy can change or be changed at any given moment; thus changing the terms & definition of what they originally subscribed too - either via infiltration or stupidity of those 'in power' which lucky for us maybe leads to the collapse of every 'state' time and time again. Here's hoping the New World Order collapses from within before long!