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They stopped building it like that because nobody wants to pay full price for quality. Too bad, because quality meant that you only bought it one time.

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More like the corporations got wise and started intentionally manufacturing everything with a calculated end of life so they could continue to make profits by continuously releasing sub par upgrades or models with different features for different price points once or twice a year by focusing most of their spending on marketing and barely anything on r&d or qc and buying bottom barrel minimum standard components mfgd by 3rd world slaves who hate us.

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They propelled consumer electronics as religion to fulfill the irreligious, then released a new product every year.

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That is the absolute best description I've heard of this. It really is like a religious event when the next iPhone comes out.

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My inexpensive fridge had an ice dam once, so I took off the back of the freezer side (where the cooling takes place). There were scorch marks all over the cardboard and whatever, I would say they take deliberate steps to cause failure.

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They did that with printers after so many pages had been printed.

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Supply follows demand. If consumers stop buying anything they suspect will be garbage the companies will supply quality products. Hell, in the short term all it would take is 60% of the market research participants rating products and giving feedback accordingly.

But there's a deeper problem: the planned and controlled continual transfer of wealth upward. Most people are too poor to invest in quality. They have to choose to go into debt for a quality item or buy what they can afford. Either way they lose.

Furthermore our billionaire overlords are using every bit of manipulation they have available to confuse the issue and hide the value in a lasting product. Without critical information the consumers are lost.

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Supply follows demand. If consumers stop buying anything they suspect will be garbage the companies will supply quality products.

They'd put more money into making their products seem like quality and buying any start up that makes quality goods, when people need a replacement for something vital they won't have a choice except to buy trash.

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Tv repair, appliance repair, knife sharpener guys- shit would run forever with a replacement part every once in a while.

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When I was a kid, there was a man who came around door to door, same time every year, to sharpen our knives. He did the pruning shears too. Dad couldn’t wait for that guy every spring.

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I have a tractor from 1953. It has an oil air cleaner. Literally sucks the intake air through oil (like a weed bong actually). No filter needed ever. Just take it off spray it clean add half a cup of engine oil and go!

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A lot of early vehicles had those too, great filter.

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K&N air filters work this way. Every year you're supposed to wash them and spray new oil on them.

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It was never about price. It was always about our enslavement and destruction using any means necessary including the use of loss leader marketing models.

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It was always about selling you the same product over and over.

'Planned Obsolescence'

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No, they stopped building them like that because we wouldn't buy a new one. That's why so many things are cheaper to buy new now than to repair. What this cycle does is guarantees, usually, the company turns a profit and keeps sales either growing or steady triggering their contractual bonuses.

If items lasted 10-15 years, there's no reason to buy a new one in 3.

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You make money on repair parts, too. Jews are just shortsighted and would rather see an immediate increase in profits over a long term increase via brand reliability and a longer replacement cycle.

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Yes, but you don't make the same amount on repair parts. That's why the Maytag Man commercials were funny.

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It's not just that though, because people generally don't want to buy used stuff either. You could buy that vintage whatever you want and fix it up, but it doesn't have all the latest features and the styling is terrible. People like to have updated styling.

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Learn to love cast iron, takes minimal upkeep to maintain and will last a lifetime.

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Remove the jew and we can.

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You can't have a free market with people who cheat and want you dead.

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Many wonderful inventions, companies, and such are lost for this reason. Many are bought up just to be destroyed to preserve the current state of the market for the larger companies making meh products.

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Stop by s/boats. I'm making a wooden boat by hand. Traditional lapstrake clinker with sawn frames.

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That phrase could more accurately be "People aren't willing to pay for this kind of quality anymore."

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Part of the reason people aren't willing to spend as much is that they expect failure so why pay more for something that in all likelihood has a comparable lifespan and still uses chinese made parts?

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Faux quality or apparent quality is rampant. Just seem like you are better quality and charge double.

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Exactly, it's easy enough to find a product with less noticeable seem lines, a better more "solid" feel and higher end materials one the outside instead of plastic everywhere possible. But 9/10 the internals will be cheap shit designed to fail in the same span of time as the cheaper options and many times use the exact same parts. And of course the only way to find out about the internals is to buy it and void the warranty by taking it apart. These days though you usually don't even get to take a close look at the outside of the product until you buy it.

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That's true. Also, it used to be possible and cost effective to buy replacement parts and pay someone to fix something if it broke.

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not that I have anything against death traps. I enjoy scary light powerful cars myself.

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i reference this video A LOT at classic car shows. So many people still think the cars back then were built like tanks and would drive right through a modern car.

I'm sure we can do both. The wheel of fashion will take us back to land boats some time.

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That's BS propaganda. What these crash tests fail to show is the intangibles of vehicle safety.

Modern cars basically nest you into a tiny cocoon. Visibility is crap, connectedness with the vehicle is crap, spatial awareness of your surroundings is crap, meanwhile distractions while driving are abound: bluetooth, radio, calls, trip computers, etc.

While the classic cares might not perform well in accident, I'd hazard a guess the likelihood of actually getting into an accident with one is significantly less.

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Statistics disagree with you on that one pal. Lot less accidents nowadays than 20 years ago.

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Do you have a source for that? I looked high and low. Number of deaths is everywhere. Number of accidents is nowhere.

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The downvote button is not for disagree.

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I.... didn't downvote anyone...

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Visibility is crap

It's a little worse, but many models provide as-good visibility.

connectedness with the vehicle is crap

100% subjective

spatial awareness of your surroundings is crap

It's not any different given the same visibility and height. More importantly rear view cams, blind spot warnings, and radar are significantly improving situational awareness

distractions

Don't want them, don't use them. This isn't a problem with cars, it's a problem with drivers.

And with advanced driver assist devices like autobraking, lane departure warning, antilock brakes, and individual wheel traction control I would argue today's driver is less likely to get into an accident.

is a chart of registered vehicles since 1970.

is a chart of deaths by vehicle mile traveled.

Actual accident rates are impossible to find, which is really peculiar, but I would be really surprised if they're increasing.

One thing not considered here is the improvement in road design. Newly built and rebuilt roads tend to have better shoulders, better markings, and better fences and buffers.

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It's a little worse, but many models provide as-good visibility.

Not true. Drive in a car from not that long ago (the 90's), and you'll be amazed at the 360° FOV you have. It's a night-and-day difference

100% subjective

As I said, intangibles of vehicle safety

It's not any different given the same visibility and height. More importantly rear view cams, blind spot warnings, and radar are significantly improving situational awareness

These are bandages to problems car makers have caused, but reliance on tech does not create spatial awareness.

Don't want them, don't use them. This isn't a problem with cars, it's a problem with drivers.

Depends. Some necessary systems are behind touchscreens or other convoluted systems. That wasn't the case in years past.

And with advanced driver assist devices like autobraking, lane departure warning, antilock brakes, and individual wheel traction control I would argue today's driver is less likely to get into an accident.

I'm not sure any of these except ABS and maybe traction control (only matters for performance vehicles) make much of a difference.

Most everything in my office/lab is a tribute to things they don't build anymore..

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Post pics!

Rather not post pictures, don't want any linkage between pics posted elsewhere and my account on Poal which could lead to a dox.

Nevertheless, here's sample of a few of the machines: Tandy 1000TL w/ XT-IDE & 2GB CF, Ethernet card, Gameport card, RAM upgrade to 768k, Parallel port ZIP 100 and parallel port CD-ROM

Tandy 4020SX w/ Soundblaster Pro, IDE/CF Adapter 8GB, 4MB Ram, IDE Zip 100

Tandy 2100 (486SX 25MHZ) w/ IDE/CF Adapter 8GB, 8MB Ram, Soundblaster 16, IDE Zip 100, ATAPI 52x CD-ROM/CD-RW

Packard Bell PB286 (IBM AT clone) w/ IDE/CF Adapter 8GB using XTIDE AT bios, Soundblaster 1.5 with 2x SAA1099 installed (CMS upgrade), Ethernet card, IDE Zip 100, a new old stock PSU installed about a year ago

80486DX4/120MHz w/ 16MB RAM, Soundblaster 16, Bigfoot 8GB HDD, IDE/CF Adapter 8GB, Ethernet card, IDE Zip 100, ATAPI IDE CD-ROM/CD-RW

Pentium Pro 180MHz w/ 64MB RAM, Nvidia TNT2, AWE32 with 32MB RAM installed, IDE ZIP 100, ATAPI IDE CD-ROM/CD-RW

Apple IIe w/ Uthernet card, MicroDrive Turbo CF card, Mockingboard, RAM card, UltraWarp accelerator card, refurbished PSU

Apple IIGS w/ Uthernet card, MicroDrive Turbo CF card, 4MB Ram card, Transwarp GS 16MHz accelerator card, refurbished PSU

Commodore 64 w/ Commodore4ever PS-64 power supply, 1541 disk drive, datasette, SD2IEC, wifi card

Macintosh SE w/ 4 MB ram, external 30MB SCSI HDD, internal 20MB HDD, SCSI2SD 8GB, ethernet card

I'm sure there's lots that I'm forgetting about at the moment..

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Have a few of those myself. Sadly sold the original Mac a few years back, still worked. Sat the 6 year old down with MacPaint and he was making cool art in an hour, good stuff in 2. No instructions given. Kids should be able to start off like that again. Not dumped into the hot mess that modern software is.

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I agree whole heartedly goat, but...... mr. Goatboy you got a loiscense for that? Where's your permit? Does those materials and that process meet EPA standards? is that in line with OSHA guidlines? Do the unions approve of that? Can you afford the competitions constant frivolous legal battles? Its unfortunate your factory burned down.

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5 year old lcd tv... 3 hdmi ports all failed. WTF do I do with the stupid thing?

Manufacturers are assholes.

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Throw it in the trash where all tvs belong

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Use some compressed air and the smallest bottle brush you can find to clean out the ports.
Especially If you're a smoker the ports could be dirty.

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Not a smoker... And i was an electronics tech years ago. The ports are enlarged and wont hold the cables. I tried finding replacement ports to solder in but non are correct.

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Go rogue, cut off an hdmi extender cord to a short dongle and solder it in.

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That sucks, once you have to find replacement parts it's generally not worth fixing. I have a 12 year old desktop that I don't want to replace until it dies as a new motherboard would cost more than the thing is worth.

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They employed the concept of 'planned obsolescence'. Can't make money if high ticket items last forever!

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