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it seems to me if people are using these laws, its pretty hard to compete with them. since good people aren't willing to use these laws, we should still know about them. to guard against and recognize the people using them. ive bought the book, and am going to post these laws. I figure the path to true success is to do the exact opposite. this book wasn't written out of love and a desire to improve the lives of his fellow man. it was written to destroy.

it seems to me if people are using these laws, its pretty hard to compete with them. since good people aren't willing to use these laws, we should still know about them. to guard against and recognize the people using them. ive bought the book, and am going to post these laws. I figure the path to true success is to do the exact opposite. this book wasn't written out of love and a desire to improve the lives of his fellow man. it was written to destroy.

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Whats your answer to the idea that sooner or later you have to impose your will on others or they'll impose theirs on you?

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my answer is that if you become your enemy, you've already lost. and there is a difference between imposing your will on someone and defending yourself and your people.

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Everyone will operate in their own self interest.
Therefore, learning about yourself, honing your own skills and preventing the dragon inside of you from surfacing is the battle we all face.

You might think books like 48 laws, the prince or art of war are about subduing others, controlling them or casting your will upon them, but that's wrong.

Specifically 48 laws shows you examples in history where popular people learned important lessons. The trick to this is that this presentation style mirrors Mythology in that much of Mythology is simply about learning the different aspects of self.

This is important and shutting it out and pointing fingers at anyone trying to help you realize these things is not a mature response to this stimuli, it's irresponsible and frankly, pretty damn annoying when all I was ever trying to do was help you. Of course, you're free to ignore that.

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drstrangegovt. Excellent answer. I have to agree. I'd say it's a sort of moral or spiritual 'death'.

There absolutely is a difference between imposing on others and defending yourself, you're right.

I've observed over time though that whatever you track, be it income, or the cultural/ethical achievements of a society, it constantly alternates gradually (or not so gradually) between an apex and degeneracy. Equilibrium is never achieved in the long run. I'm asking how you face the ultimate futility of the struggle for autonomy, in a world ruled, as it were by "principalities and powers"? Without an answer to this, ultimately, there is no meaningful point to the struggle at all.

This is not meant as a blackpill so much as it's meant to ask you what your thoughts are on the observation itself.

To NotHereFor, what do you make of western idealism and pathological altruism? We've obviously spent thousands of years infighting to develop the social, political, economic, and genetic disposition for group cooperation, and it's benefited us greatly in the long run.

I don't think Drstrangegovt has been irresponsible, questions and opinions rarely are. Hes merely 'stuck' to develop in the historic role hes been handed by circumstance and the age we live in. Mythology always forms after, as the proto-psychology of culture, teaching important lessons, but thats only in hindsight. And the parables of old do not necessarily apply to today. Take Hercules for example. Hes dead, if he ever existed at all. He was resurrected as the "superman"or "overman" of the europeans but that idea too is stale and needs a fresh coat of paint if it is to inspire anyone at all. The demographic "ground" is fertile but the icons and symbols, the monuments and cathedrals of the collective mind need rebuilt, or at least, repurposed.

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the world needs heros. now all we have is an agenda wrapped in glitzy fiction. I'm no hero, getting old, tired, broken, and mean. but maybe a hero will show up and understand the things I say. the things I believe. this is how I fight the blackpill. and who knows, maybe I can demoralize the bad guys. that'd be nice, and help in a small way. maybe that perspective is futile as well. oh, well. at least its something.