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FleurDeLis, over at (https://poal.co/s/Announcements/7986/667426e8-838f-43b9-af31-d11ca92c0004#cmnts) writes Obscenity isn't free speech, it isn't protected by the constitutions 1st amendment. Targeted harassment again, does not constitute free speech. The right to offend others exists but not the right to intimidate, provoke into silence.

and raises an interesting point. As the announcement itself says, using 'freedom of speech' to limit others freedom isn't free speech at all. A system cannot long exist that tolerates things which act under that system to undermine or destroy it. Others, as shills like to do, compared it to twitter and reddit, but we know that comparison isn't true because twitter and reddit censor opinions that are merely opinions, rather than attempts to destroy or undermine the platforms, though they often, laughably succeed at censoring legit opinions, while failing to censor the latter, effectively undermining themselves.

This goes back to a dichotomy not often talked about: Liberty and Freedom are not synonyms.

Liberty is freedom with duties and responsibilities. Freedom is liberty without duties and responsibilities.

When we live in Liberty, we have various liberties, but have the duty to exercise them in such a way that it doesn't impinge on other's liberties.

When we live in Freedom, we do whatever the hell we want, even if it destroys other's freedoms.

And never the twain shall meet.

FleurDeLis, over at (https://poal.co/s/Announcements/7986/667426e8-838f-43b9-af31-d11ca92c0004#cmnts) writes *Obscenity isn't free speech, it isn't protected by the constitutions 1st amendment. Targeted harassment again, does not constitute free speech. The right to offend others exists but not the right to intimidate, provoke into silence.* and raises an interesting point. As the announcement itself says, using 'freedom of speech' to limit others freedom isn't free speech at all. A system cannot long exist that tolerates things which act under that system to undermine or destroy it. Others, as shills like to do, compared it to twitter and reddit, but we know that comparison isn't true because twitter and reddit censor opinions that are merely opinions, rather than attempts to destroy or undermine the platforms, though they often, laughably succeed at censoring legit opinions, while failing to censor the latter, effectively undermining themselves. This goes back to a dichotomy not often talked about: Liberty and Freedom are not synonyms. Liberty is freedom with duties and responsibilities. Freedom is liberty without duties and responsibilities. When we live in Liberty, we have various liberties, but have the duty to exercise them in such a way that it doesn't impinge on other's liberties. When we live in Freedom, we do whatever the hell we want, even if it destroys other's freedoms. And never the twain shall meet.

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We've bred a safe space.

Nobody's upvoting or talking to each other.

This site needs its crazies and trolls to be interesting. I have 8 people blocking my sub because "muh nazis" probably more blocked me now. I don't like it

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Nobody's upvoting or talking to each other.

What do you mean? People seem to be upvoting as often as usual. People haven't ever commented too much though.

I look down the line see +2 where mine was the only upvote

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I think it's taking more time for people to vote. I noticed something like that.

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This site needs its crazies and trolls to be interesting

It remains true that my right to free association trumps some commie faggots right to bullhorn my ear drums out on the pretense of 'free speech', or flood me with pms that I have to clear out. Many people don't use the block button, some of us do because we've learned to pretty rapidly identify bad faith actors and ignore them outright.

Anyone arguing against the block button is likely arguing in bad faith for a variety of reasons.

Look at this guy

Someone needs to stop him