I watched it and i have to say matt didnt really argue his point well. The fact is it is the degradation of the meaning of words which is important. Nobody cares if fags announce they are monogomous or whatever and want to have a secure relationship (not true but you get the point) that isnt the issue, its the chipping away at the meaning of words that is the issue. Frankly marriage is the purpose of creating a family, if you are not creating a family then its worthless and meaningless. Yeah to all you people who fuck for fun or are career focused your marriage is pointless. Nobody gives a fuck if you get married to your sweetheart and have no kids, you can break up and its just a matter of dividing contents. who gives a fuck. Matt was a little too wishy washy on that, i get why, he probably didnt want to cede on the idea of sex before marriage since that is a strong Christian point, but the reason for that is that decent contraception didnt exist back in the days and the only way to ensure you werent a nigger leaving women with unloved bastard children was marrying before fucking. Its all about the family unit, career focused relationships arent as valuable as family ones. They are as meaningless as gay marriage. Matt would also have to state that faggots shouldnt have kids, which they shouldnt but too many arent prepared to hear it and he probably wasnt prepared to argue for that since he presents himself as fairly moderate and accepting (which is perfectly fine, he can lead people from one side to the other) Joe to his credit was playing the devils advocate, he was giving good arguments to pressure matt, which is a good thing, only matt either hasnt refined his position or didnt want to outright say faggots dont deserve to be in relationships and shouldnt have kids because they are degenerates. If matt used the statistics on gays he could go nuclear, but that would probably be a bit too controversial for him (which in spite of being 'controversial' with his 'what is a woman' documentary, hes honestly quite moderate) Basically what it boils down to is whether hes willing to argue outside of the left wing rhetoric or having to present the best argument in their framework. He hamstrung himself by using their framework in order to protect himself from jewish labels. Joe was doing what he should be doing and pressuring Matt for his best argument, Matt didnt bring his best argument. We know the score, we can say it loudly here, but in politeworld he has to follow the rules. The argument should have been 1 gay relationships are meaningless, 2 hetero relationships that dont lead to kids are meaningless, 3 marriage has significant meaning for families, 4 if people arent planning on having kids then they dont deserve marriage, 5 homosexuals should be banned from having children by default which should immediately disqualify them from marriage. You can see the obvious problems with making hard arguments like that with someone who plays the role of someone who is unbiased like joe.