Actually he isn't. NO ONE is ever doing anything for profit, this isn't a thing in human behaviour. EVERYONE is always pursuing profit in the pursuit external requirements. The scam artist calls it happiness, economists call it supply and demand, it doesn't matter.

What Rogan is literally doing is looking at a mechanism and applying a label to a moving part that makes no sense. Profit / loss is merely the total energy gain or loss of any discrete system. It's just a machine.

Rogan is making the claim that some people that enter this machine do it for the sake of the machine. There is simply no evidence for this. The scam artist is correct. Everyone that enters the machine does it ALWAYS for net energy gain (pleasure) and you cannot put a value judgement on whether or not some people stay in the machine for more time or less are right or wrong.

The scam artist is right. Rogan is a communist.

I agree with this. I posted above trying to parse this a little bit if you care to comment or take my point apart.

Exactly, that guy with the turbine is a fucking idiot or deceiving everyone. They're fucking psychopaths. They don't give a shit about your well being or "doing good".

So, trying to parse this a little bit:

Two people have companies they run. The company has x number of shareholders, the guys running their company has 51% of the company and the final vote on what happens to the company.

The first guy runs his company, makes 50 million (a little more than enough as a just in case) and goes, okay, I am being greedy if I continue. He shuts down the company. Everyone loses their jobs, the other shareholders lose all of their ongoing investment even though they made it back and some change, no further economic activity happens as a result of the company. Employees have to find jobs, investors have to find other opportunities.

The second guy makes his 50 mil but goes, fuck it, I want 50 billion. Keeps on running his company, ruthlessly destroying his competition through maybe superior product, maybe superior pricing with shitty products, maybe through buyouts. Who knows, all we know his customers keep on buying his products and not his competitors products. He dies worth 50 billion, he has made thousand of millioinaires through shareholdings and ended up employing 100s of thousands through employee turnover.

Note:

• We are ignoring any form of charity, the second guy keeps 100% of his earnings for him self and leaves it to his family only with a will that forbids ANY of the investment be given to charties for as long as his investment vehicles manage to exist. The investment vehicles can only pay his kids dividends and must keep on investing in future companies, the kids or management cannot give away any percentage to charity at any time for any reason.

• We are assuming both are patriotic and keep their business in their own country of origin. We can make the same value calculation with multinationals but it is too complicated for this conversation in my humble opinion.

• We are assuming both guys stay out of politics, don't use their wealth to influence politics. Again, we can make similar calculations here, but it complicates the conversation so much I'm not sure we can get to the bottom of that one.

QUESTION: Who is greedy? Who is not greedy? Who is evil (doesn't Joe either say or imply evil at one point) ? According to what standards do we apply a value judgement? Is this a universal standard or one relative to the person applying the value judgement?

QUESTION: If the second guy pursues his business because he is a sociopath / psychopath, is it still evil? Why?

The reason that I posted this clip is that I find my self often falling into this trap as well. I still fall for it. Joe basically is making the value judgement that HUGE amounts of profit are somehow evil just because someone stays in their business longer and pursues his business longer and make billions or trillions that it's wrong. This is basically what communists think, believe and feel and one of the reasons why we are in the place we are today. This is also the reason why communism appeals to young people, because they are still green and their brains are still developing in their 20s. They don't have ANY experience against which to bias their emotions so something like this kind of critique is appealing because when you don't know anything it is easy to feel envy.

Anyone here that has run a business KNOWS that running a business is really not fun. Anyone that does find it fun finds it fun within a very narrow definition of fun and their definition of fun is closer to how a sociopath describes fun than a normal person.

That this breaks down for me.

I agree with you that in order to act in the world we have to apply value judgements and discriminate. What is your take on this?