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[–] [deleted] • 4 pts

Baldwin conceded the argument with the admission of the facts. As far as I'm concerned it doesn't really matter whether he pulled the trigger or not. Even if the gun magically fired by itself, he has already admitted to pointing a loaded gun at another person and then killing the person with that gun. On top of that him claiming he didn't pull the trigger isn't working for him. He comes off as a liar.

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The first instance in history of a gun spontaneously firing by itself, AND loaded with live ammunition (on a movie set no less), while being held by a famous celebrity who is pointing it at someone. What are the odds?

[–] [deleted] • 3 pts

What's amusing is that Baldwin himself made a similar point by saying that out of the millions of times guns have been fired on set, this kind of thing hasn't happened in decades. He's not making the point he thinks he's making. My first thought was "Yeah, it happened because your conduct on set was egregiously reckless."

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

This rarely happens on big or small movie sets either. I think the last occurrence was on The Crow, and that gun was firing blanks. It turned out there was a squib in the barrel from a previous shot, and the blank pushed it out at full velocity. That's why, in this video, he shows himself checking the barrel too. That's standard practice on movie sets because of what happened on The Crow.

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More likely he said "you bitch try to make our crew go on strike because of poor working conditions, ill murder you right now and wont see jail," BANG. He probably didnt use as many words.

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This is an excellent explanation of the gun in question. I knew from the beginning that it was premeditated murder. Possible motive: He was self financing the movie. Things were not going well (reported). I think the director was encouraging everyone to walk away until things were fixed. Would have lost a major chunk of his net worth (house as collateral?) The next question is: Were there accomplices.

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I heard that this could have literally just been a fit of rage which he has been known for. He's "in" Hollywood he could literally have just loaded a firearm and shot her in cold blood because they can just get away with it. Would explain why his excuses don't make sense.

Or this is literally some Agent 47 hitman shit where someone put a live round in a gun, or purposefully put a squib load in the barrel so a blank would send the blocked projectile out. None of this makes sense so I wouldn't put it past him to literally have shot her on purpose at this point, add in your speculation thats just another reason why someone would shoot someone.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

He pointed the gun at her in a fit of anger and pulled the trigger. Not murder since he didn't intend to kill her, but it is starting to look like manslaughter. Prosecutors could even charge him with felony murder if they have the chutzpah.

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I 'member watching Dukes of Hazard as a kid.

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I was wondering if anyone else picked up it was that John Schneider.

[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

None of this matters, though. No matter what, Alec ain't going to receive any real punishment. Even if it's proven beyond the shadow of a doubt Alec loaded the gun himself, cocked it, and indeed pulled the trigger... his jew lawyers and planted/paid off judge are going to get him out of it.

Someone else will go down, but not Alec.

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So Baldwin is claiming improper loads, and a malfunction at the exact moment he pointed it at someone? Man, it's getting deep.

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Could be an overall hoax.

Maybe, she is still alive and was just another psyop to distract and maybe appear to change some "minor" gun law, while rolling in something more major to keep chipping away at our rights. With Baldwin as anti-gun, I could see him agreeing to do something like this.

It also tries to perpetuate fear in weapon malfunction and blame gun manufacturers.

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Why would they go through all that trouble when they could just have him murder someone for real and give him a light sentence?

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I've heard the producer that was shot was working on a film about pedophilia in the industry. Any truth in that?

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I still maintain if somebody hands you a prop gun, even if its real, presented as a prop gun - Movie set gun or whatever, and you knowing that checking it would be fruitless (since you expect blanks to be in there anyway) - should definitely not be tried for manslaughter.

Check his emails texts and calls and if there was no premeditated intent then forget it.

As much as Alex Baldwin is a cocksucker that isn't reasonable.

Everyone here piping on about always checking the gun is full of shit and projecting their experience onto a movie set. You always check a gun but you never check a toy gun.

That said.. On the other hand if he pre-mediatedly murdered this bitch then he deserves the electric chair

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Murder is the only real explanation here. Baldwin has been a lunatic for decades. I had Twitter 10 years ago for a year and followed him for awhile. Unfollowed after realizing from his tweets he was completely insane.

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Murder is the only real answer. I had Twitter 10 years ago for a year, followed him then unfollowed after realizing from his tweets he was a disturbed, deranged lunatic.

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I refuse to defend baldwin or anybody on that set who had a chain of custody, I wholly believe there was negligence, however there are a few possibilities that do exists but are so unlikely that I don't believe them myself.

The more likely of the two is that the propmaster/team were deeply ignorant of these weapons, failed to educate baldwin, or he failed to learn, and that somebody loaded it with real ammo for what was likely a photo shoot because they were lazy and didn't want to unload the primers and powder to make safe dummy rounds for prop purposes and through their negligence or the impropriety of the set coordinator, assistant/producer/ assistant directors or just a gofer they retrieve this loaded gun for a photoshoot, this is likely what happened, the unexpected element here might have been that live rounds got mixxed into a box off dummy cartridges by extreme negligence, loaded into this gun and the gun being set on a cowboy carry was given to baldwin and he over extended the action and cycled off the empty chamber and let the hammer slip when he was cocking or decocking it.

The second extremely unlikely mod is that this is a really old prop gun from an old cowboy serial or it was bubba'd to shit and back to make it a fan fire only gun, I'm aware that you can partially disassemble these firearms and fool with the inner working a tiny bit to make a gun that just operates on the flat spring tension in the hammer and the hand of the gun moving the cylinder, take the trigger out of the equation by literally removing it and removing any other safety function. it's reported this was occasionally done by a handful of outlaws who just wanted a high volume of fire. a gun like that doesn't need to be on a set but if the previous prop master walked it's conceivable that her replacement wouldn't disassemble all the guns and discover this gun's true nature, especially if the trigger linkage were missing but the trigger were still present and somehow under tension.

Like I said I don't see the second one being a possibility, it's more likely the weight of the gun and his thumb slipping on a cocking action made him instinctively grab the gun tighter and then he pulled the trigger, his inexperience with firearms not being addressed is the fault of the producer, he was also the producer, the presence of live ammo on set was almost certainly a consequence of his actions as producer, in hiring the wrong people or pushing them too hard for time.

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