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[–] 5 pts

Has anyone proved creation or intelligent design?

[–] 3 pts

How would that be possible without proving the existence of (a) God?!

Still waiting for that one..

There is a metric fuckton of evidence for the pro-evolution case and not many scientists will waste time trying to disprove Divine Intervention.

"Intelligent design" as a concept is often skewed into something unrecognizable, by people with a religious, non-scientific agenda.

Look everywhere in nature and you'll experience intelligent design.. even in humans..

[–] 2 pts

The problem is conflation of evolution and origin.

[–] 2 pts

That's my point. All sides of a debate have to be held to the same evidentiary standards.

[–] 0 pt

Nothing in nature has a "design." There are mutations which enabled the host to better survive existing conditions then those without the mutation. That's it

If there is a "designer" at work it's a really stupid one given the number of useless and detrimental designs.

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Everything in nature have a design and purpose of it; nature contains no empirically proven meaninglessness and if it appears to do, then the purpose have not been discovered..

Mutation can be a result of adjustment towards adaptation, but can also be a result of incompatibility with a environment and even seemingly successful (series of-) mutations can lead down a one way street to a dead end and extinction. If the rules change too rapidly, "nature" can't compensate timely.

I won't propose that there is a designer, other than a highly likely universal law, that determines how a structure or gestalt must be to successfully operate or even exist in any given environment.