The conversation between Andrew and Peterson really summarizes leadership, why we want competent leadership, why we venerate competent leadership and how we need to keep an eye on our leadership. Out of this conversation, you can start to see some of the tribal dynamics, where we have failed in the west as white men (to keep control of our leadership) and how we have allowed mimics to insert them selves into the hierarchy and start to poison our civilizations. The answer as to how we fix our civilizations fall right out of this conversation. Yes, yes, jew jew jew, blah, blah, blah. It isn't a full discussion, but it is a good skeleton description of the core components of the mechanics underpinning all the conversations that sit on top of this shape.