I saw them live, it was at the end of their run and they actually had the Asian guy from the first album and the mixed dude from the second album doing double vocals. It was a good fuckin show. I think unearth actually opened for them. One of my favorite hardcore bands to this day. I just listened to dandelions and farewell to a perfect score in the car last week. The shows were great, sometimes with venues cancelling on the rough looking crowds for fear of karate mosh pits and property damage - only for the crowd of fans to turn and call every other business and community house available before moving the whole show across town in th same night. Good times. Cheers!