and werewolf: i get your points.

JP's no "guru" to me, nor should he be to anybody and i see no evidence that ever sought to be one..

I believe it's obvious that he never attempted to capitalize on his popularity and become a person of political power or spearheading any movement.

His usefullness (to me and possibly to anybody with the mental capacity and willingness) is in the development, rebuilding and/or confirmation of the id; the "get your house in order.." and in explaining the relatively complex mechanisms of co-existence in a community (reality, really) or possibly; how you may become an army of one, that may be competent enough to influence others, with a clear concience.

Edit: oops, replied to myself..

And they'll also learn to not think about their race and his audience is almost exclusively White men. He's great at keeping them on the plantation.

Absolutely, he introduced a lot of people to silos of specialized study that you can take further and gain more skills.

My first reading of Peterson was that he stopped short of saying the obvious about the JQ and white self determinism and how to think about those things in evolutionary, psychological, mythological and social contexts was that he took the subject as far as he possibly could and stood on the razors edge and no further.

In other words, he told a set of stories that raised important flags in interesting ways and pointed in the direction of Jung, Solzhenitsyn and that direction and said, you do the rest, I can go no further.

I am still sympathetic to that reading of his path, but I am suspicious of him mostly because other people are. He keeps on talking about how the work that he did was to de-radicalize young men on the right because he saw the problems that will arise again as the left dislocates young white men from their ancestral inheritence but I have never seen any evidence of anything he said as de-radicalizing at all.