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I don't know how to straddle the difference between religion being so rigid as to not allow for any deviation and the need for humans to leave / explore / make mistakes and return home as free men.

But I do know that some aspects of religious / ritual / mythological frameworks provide guidance to the in group on how to grow from childhood to responsibility and finally to the grave.

Those two videos are AMAZING examples of what happens when there is a total dislocation between the individual and the structure. People like Matty end up looking for that struture and find it in total and abject degeneracy.

[Link Title](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvqTC4nQkog) ... and ... [Link Title](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYsgd_8AFoo) I don't know how to straddle the difference between religion being so rigid as to not allow for any deviation and the need for humans to leave / explore / make mistakes and return home as free men. But I do know that some aspects of religious / ritual / mythological frameworks provide guidance to the in group on how to grow from childhood to responsibility and finally to the grave. Those two videos are AMAZING examples of what happens when there is a total dislocation between the individual and the structure. People like Matty end up looking for that struture and find it in total and abject degeneracy.

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[–] [deleted] • 1 pt

Rumspringa is amongst many things that the Amish do right. I don't necessarily subscribe to any religion but their approach makes perfect sense. They're raised with a religious belief and a sense of a tight knit community but then after reaching young adulthood they're allowed to go and experience the world for themselves. There is no real time set for the duration of rumspringa, they can even live a worldly life and still be part of the community UNTIL they get baptized and give their life to their god. IIRC their retention rate is around 90%, meaning that given the option of "freedom/degeneracy" most will return to be part of the community/religion they grew up with.

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Funny you mention that. I have thought for a long time that it would be great if we could re-introduce such an idea to our people and see if we can integrated it into our cultures somehow.

Their approach has the benefit of rigid structure for those that need it, freedom for those that need that and responsibility for those that need that.

That is a GREAT point.

[–] [deleted] • 0 pt

"I don't know how to straddle the difference between religion being so rigid as to not allow for any deviation and the need for humans to leave / explore / make mistakes and return home as free men."

What's rigid about not being a theiving faggot and such? Were you... raised by a single mother? Because that would explain it. A man has principles and is disciplined. This society doesn't teach that, because it's not in it's interest to have strong and independent people. The programming doesn't take with such individuals. They want automatons who're dependent on their welfare. Such people don't protest let alone fight back.

I didn't watch the videos but maybe, Matty drank the jews kool-aid and started 'experimenting' and found out, that like his two dad's, he enjoys shvoing household objects up his ass xD. Who the eff knows, it's jewtube videos in 2021.

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The lashback comes from finding out that the religion is touted as absolute truth, rather than a lifestyle structure of meeting community, saving funds and tithing, contributing to collective local organizations, etc.. is a complete lie in basis, a fictional santa story. Anyone who looks into the origin of the Mormon bible will find out it's a load of plagarized horse shit that got copied from a specific king james bible and has been AI-analyzed to show the remainder is copied from a text referring to a battle in the new york region (or the countless other tediously cited rebuttals by ex-mormons)

So, LYING to get people to commit to their system is the real failure here. The ultimate degeneracy of their religion. It will likely end in complete failure unless there's a baseline of lower-iq ignorants that refuse to analyze or introspect on such things. They are holding a balloon underwater never questioning or self exploring for deeper meaning. If they test that "Faith" they were raised with, they'll think it's all lies. They completely discard all of it. Every scrap, unfortunately, in many cases

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Huh. I never thought about it that way. You can literally see this in every single religion. Thanks for that, I learned something today.