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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/boris-johnson-refuses-step-down-amid-ministerial-exodus-soaring-odds-early-exit

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/boris-johnson-resign-prime-minister-after-government-collapses

Johnson spoke to Sir Graham Brady, chair of the 1922 committee of Conservative backbench MPs, at an 8.30am meeting in which the prime minister said he had concluded that he should resign in the interests of the party and the country

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/boris-johnson-refuses-step-down-amid-ministerial-exodus-soaring-odds-early-exit https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/boris-johnson-resign-prime-minister-after-government-collapses Johnson spoke to Sir Graham Brady, chair of the 1922 committee of Conservative backbench MPs, at an 8.30am meeting in which the prime minister said he had concluded that he should resign in the interests of the party and the country

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Well he was pretty much as conservative in the strict sense of the term as republicans are far right... I'm exaggerating a bit but not that much, he was mostly pro liberal globalization bs, not really an isolationist nor a nationalist, and he wasn't known to be anti immigration... He talked about some reforms lately, but it does not reflect his overall stance on it over the years, it was more a move to align with the trend du jour.

So what are you going to conserve with that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson#Political_positions_and_ideology

>Gimson wrote that Johnson is economically and socially "a genuine liberal", although he retains a "Tory element" to his personality through his "love of existing institutions, and a recognition of the inevitability of hierarchy".[739] His liberal stance on matters such as social policy, immigration and free trade were also commented on in 2019.[740][741]

Hm

"Conservative" emphasis on con

I'm not saying he is the worst of them all, but clearly he's never been a staunch opponent of globalization and the liberal world order

There's no left or right anymore, it has shifted to nationalism vs globalism. Macron understands that pretty well, he's globalist and he's no problem "shifting gears" from left to right as long as it aligns with his globalist side of things. And I'm not saying macron is a genius or great, it's just that he got that right and it pays, despite the fact that he's not popular, but he's where he's at

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he's shifted a lot on immigration, being pro in 2016 and almost anti in 2021

it was more a move to align with the trend du jour.

yeh, which is what a career politician is going to do really

Boris's allies are fairly conservative though, like Rees Mogg, and the party is nominally conservative too.

But there are a lot of ministers who just aren't though, it's been quite split for a while now, and way too many MPs running scared of the Left.

It's annoying because they took seats from the Left with vague anti globalist sound bites, while the Left abandoned the working class and sucked black tranny dick instead

There's no left or right anymore, it has shifted to nationalism vs globalism

yep, that's a good take, maybe it remains as a financial aspect? there are still socialist and conservative ways to run an economy, but only Russia is trying a nationalist market approach

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Well, talking about economics, I've read a bit not so long ago, I think it was on investopedia or mises institute, which basically stated that there's only one economic system and it's capitalism. And all the so called alternative economic systems, are in reality just capitalism with varying degrees of state intervention. And I believe this is true, because beyond the ideological boundaries and blinders this is exactly what you get in practice, technically speaking, whether it's communism, socialism, national socialism, fascism, liberalism, etc

And in the end, while most people oppose communism to capitalism, in fact it is dumb, because capitalism is "an" economic system while communism is an ideology, and it seems that chinese kind of figured that out before everybody else btw, because while they still define themselves as communist to this day, clearly they have no ideological problem with capitalism, as long as it doesn't go against their national interests of course. In a way, they kind of are closer to national socialists than to communists, ideologically speaking. Hitler went sort of full keynes and nazis didn't have a problem with private entrepreneurship, as long as it didn't promote ideas and values and activities contrary to the ideological line. Chinese are also very race oriented btw. And if you take communist russia, soviet russia, private entrepreneurship was forbidden, you couldn't own a grocery store for instance, it was illegal.

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capitalism more closely matches human self interest, so it's always going to attract more energy

China seems to be doing well with its state owned businesses because it can invest heavily, and I'm thinking they don't seem to over compete with each other. Like they have alibaba and the US has amazon, but amazon is also competing against a bunch of other companies, and they undermine the local economy by just buying everything cheaply on the global market. China doesn't do this, they always put China first, which I guess why Trump was making the same point

It's also a bit more long term, like they plan things in decades, not 4 year presidential cycles. Biden threw oil refining under the bus on day one, so now nobody wants to invest in capacity so now everyone has to pay more for gas. I'd imagine China wouldn't undermine their own economy for naive ideological reasons, because making money is the only goal.

I do feel we are approaching peak capitalism, because we have to compete against China or die then we are all locked into a spiralling cycle of exploitation, both of workers and the environment. If we don't compete, China will rule the world, if we do compete, we will pollute the world. Either path leads to misery, and that's if we somehow manage to avoid a global war.

We can't make progress without global trade, but the end result of that is also globalism, which might be a better outcome than living under the Chinese boot.

I kinda feel we should stop inventing a better mousetrap and revert to something more like the Amish, but we'd need to get all humans to do the same, and we are biologically incapable of not fighting a war every 20-40 years

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He was a big disappointment, I feel like he wasn't even as "good" as Zognald Trumpstein was. They both were disappointments really.