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It seems that you are operating under the idea that the virus is highly dangerous. While I agree with you that the media in conjunction with CDC collaborated for funding ( a hole lot of funding) I personally believe that covid19 simply is no more dangerous than ifluenza or any of the other strands of viruses weve experienced in the recent past (h1n1, bird-flu, etc). The only difference is the level of mass control and manipulation has been used in this case during an era of exceeding institutional corruption from virtually all sides to push agendas.

This isnt to dismiss your hyopthesis which may very well be true as well... but in reality who knows. The problem is that its impossible to know fact from fiction due to the malfeasance of those at the very top of our institutions who are clearly corrupt.

My restaurant example wasnt designed to be a shot at you specifically but just pointing out a basic idea of how ludicrous this entire circus is.

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Yes and it is proven by the fact that they have to measure coronavirus deaths differently than they have ever measured any deaths for any previous virus. Otherwise the numbers would be pedestrian. When people died with the flu in 2015, they were not listed as a flu death. The heart attack killed them. They just happened to have the flu. Now, when my father dies of pneumonia after a pulmonary embolism, and he happened to test positive for coronavirus, he was listed as a coronavirus death. This is never happened before. Ever. For any virus. At any point in history.

Without this revision coronavirus didn’t kill anyone more than the regular flu. The regular flu does happen to be deadly to people like me who have no immune system, or are elderly.

Again, why would they change everything we know about the virus, any virus, just for this virus. They changed all the rules of transmission. They changed all the rules of spread. They changed all the rules of shedding. All of them. Then backtracked quietly. Without removing the numbers. So they used steroids to get big numbers, big muscles, big measurements, then disavow the steroids but continue to claim the numbers even after their physique shrunk.

It is no more deadly than a rough seasonal virus. That’s still deadly. But we don’t mask up for the regular seasonal flu virus. We don’t destroy children’s educations and mental health for the regular flu virus

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Yes and it is proven by the fact that they have to measure coronavirus deaths differently than

I guess you would think this if you listen to nothing but what the retards tell you on gateway pundit.

They moved covid from underlying cause of death to immediate cause of death on death certificates. This did not change the way they count deaths that were caused by influenza or covid. When you query deaths due to influenza the cdc database give you the number of people who died of influenza either as immediate or underlying cause,and covid deaths are calculated the same way.

When people died with the flu in 2015, they were not listed as a flu death.

This is not true. Heart attacks can be caused by flu and covid. Viruses can attack the heart muscle. When a person dies like this, heart attack AND flu are listed as cause of death.

Influenza numbers are confused by the fact that the cdc claims up to 80 thousand people die of flu every year, but that is statistical fuckery (you can read about how they estimate flu deaths on their website. )

The true number of deaths from flu every year is pulled from death certificates filled out by doctors and coroners and flu is listed a contributing cause of death in only about 10 to 15 thousand deaths a year. Maybe 20 in a bad year. The fake “flu estimate” is propaganda to get people to take the vax.

Again, why would they change everything we know about the virus, any virus, just for this virus. They changed all the rules of transmission.

There are many fiats they issued for covid. Many were for political reasons. But they did not fundamentally change the way the count death and cause of death. Number of deaths is up 20% in US which is roughly comensurate with reported covid deaths.

Now, when my father dies of pneumonia after a pulmonary embolism, and he happened to test positive for coronavirus, he was listed as a coronavirus death.

You realize covid can cause both those things right? Covid can cause heart attack and embolism and ARDS? A secondary pneumococcal infection can be caught when you have ARDS?

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First of all bird flu / h1n1 was also released from a government lab. Even Wikipedia acknowledges that. Many epidemics are caused by virologists. In fact the original Spanish flu strain from 1917 may have been caused by a vaccine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Russian_flu

So what’s the point in comparing it to “normal” flu strains that are also deadly and have also been caused by governments?

Influenza A and B cause about 10 to 15 thousands deaths a year in the US. Covid killed 400,000 people in the US. The number of deaths in the US in 2019 was 2.8 million. In 2020 it was 3.4million. Thats a 20 % increase. Covid.

Influenza deaths are totally unecessary because what I discovered when I researched covid medications was THEY ALL WORK ON ALL VIRUSES. Hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, doxycycline, ivermectin, lopanavir, ritonavir..... they all work on influenza and cold viruses and zika and west nile and SARS— all of those.

get the flu shot goy stop the spread of flu, there’s no cure

Hydroxychloroquine cures flu. Several antibiotics cure flu. Hell you can take low dose HCQ all winter long to avoid the flu.

This isnt to dismiss your hyopthesis which may very well be true as well... but in reality who knows.

I do. Wuhan virology lab has been experimenting with coronaviruses since 2006. They are the only ones that were doing gain of function research on coronaviruses. They published papers explaining how they were creating hybridized coronaviruses from SARS and bat viriuses. Those studies had NIH funding— you can read where the funding came from at the bottom of the papers. Grants from the NIAID run by Fauci, under US NIH.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1006698

If you read these studies it will be clear to you. They were genetically engineering the most dangerous coronaviruses in the world at Wuhan Virology Lab ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE WET MARKET. The animal market was across the street from Frankenstein’s laboratory.

who knows

The chances that a spontaneous deadly mutation of coronavirus would spring up coincidentally across the street from where they engineer coronaviruses is A BILLION TO ONE. The conspiracy theory is that it didn’t come from that lab. Its improbable enough to be absurd. NO QUESTION that bug cam from the wuhan lab.

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I appreciate your thorough reply and will look deeper at this information. I do remember reading about the experimentation of engineered coronaviruses in wuhan in an article published in 2015 which could have "leaked out" or maybe even been purposely released. Again its possible that this information you have shared is accurate, though forgive me for my lack of fully committing my trust to any data or journalism in regards to this entire situation. There has been so many lies and half truths that its hard for me to not think it may be a sort of psyop by several government and industrial entities. Again I could be wrong but I do appreciate your response

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an article published in 2015

Yes that is the one I linked from nature I believe. Some virologists were warning against those experiments then.

Those two links are not jounalism they are just academic articles produced by the wuhan lab

Steve Hilton does a good piece on this https://www.bitchute.com/video/F8UBp3IKVnXe/

Other things that point to artificial origin. High affinity to human ace2 receptor exhibited by covid 19 at start of the epidemic. What does that mean?

It means when a virus naturally spontaneously jumps species (proposed wet market hypothesis) it is initially not well adapted to the new host as is not very infectious at first. It has to undergo additionally mutations to fully adapt to the new host.

But that wasnt what we saw with covid. “High affinity for ACE2 receptor” (you can google that) means it was already perfectly adapted for human beings, because it was raised in a lab and trained to infect human cells thriugh a method called passaging.

Also if this was a spontaneous mutation transfer from an animal, we would be able to identify the intermediate host i.e. there would be another animal with a pandemic disease similar to covid in its population. A civet was the intermediate host for SARS. A camel was the intermediate for MERS. Viruses do not typically jump from bats to humans because the physiology is too different apparently. There needs to be a “stepping stone” host— they still havent found one that is carrying covid.

All signs this was a man made virus.